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Women and Trump -and an old patriarchal order - Will women be his undoing?

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Monday night, I threw cards with students on the Moore race. I got that Moore would end up living with the consequences of his violation of young girls.  The girls showed up in my cards as the goddess  Percephone.  She is the one who Hades/Pluto abducted into the underworld. She is the young innocent daughter of the grain goddess Demeter.   (This was an update from an earlier vision that Moore would win, a reading I didn't feel good about because it came too loudly, as if it were just prevailing opinion at the time. Lesson learned (again and again)). 

Percephone and Pluto both showed up in visions I got four days before the 2016 election. I wrote about it at the beginning of the Prediction Page.  In my vision,  Pluto, god of the underworld,  was now in charge of our country.  He was big, oversized, and tough.  He would steal our innocence (i.e., Percephone).  But as the Greek myth goes, her mother Demeter, goddess of the grains, would grieve and the grains would not grow. The people would become sad and all was grey. The people would demand that Zeus make Pluto bring her back.  

So now it seems the GOP has hit a nerve that unites everyone, liberals and conservatives alike.  We ALL cherish our innocent daughters.  We all want to protect them. And Within every mature woman is that young girl who had to weather the patriarchal system.  It was mature women, the Demeters of our land, who spoke out on behalf of the young girls they had been when Moore violated them. 

I have had visions (see predictions) of women testifying in the future. I wonder if they are now going to turn towards Trump, and this time, the GOP will listen. I still don't think they will impeach, but they might suggest quiet down. Perhaps it is the Percephones who will cause Trump to fade out this year. Any thoughts? 

BTW, Pluto represents the shadow side of our psyches.  To heal our shadow, we have needed to have it come out and show itself to us all.  That is what Trump has done for us. Now we can put it in its proper place.  The shadow doesn't go away.  But it will not be allowed to rule as it has been since Trump took over. 

The "Me Too" campaign is on a roll.  

 

I have seen visions of women testifying about sexual abuse.  I think they are now going to come for Trump.  



   
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Trump and family, Moore, and the like remind me of reading the Faulkner novel, The Sound and the Fury; in which the characters act out dramas based on an antiquated value system.  In contrast, Salma Hayek's recent Op Ed addition to the me-too movement shows exactly why that value system serves no one but entitled white men.       



   
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Jeanne, this is fascinating. I definitely think that female energy is galvanizing in preparation of the moment when Pluto's power is revoked. I moderate an online resistance group comprised of 32,000 people, and not only are women the most vocal members of the forum, they are really doing some major emotional labor to figure out how to unseat the "shadow" as you call it. Which leads to the dream I had this week on the eve of the Alabama election.

In the dream, I am one of thousands of women (all shapes, races, ages are represented) wading naked in a pool of dark contaminated water. The environment looks like a sewer; there is no way out of the pool except by climbing up steep walls, but they are covered in slime, which prevents us from getting out. In the dream, the shared understanding is that there will never be a way out of the insidious murk unless we clean the slime off the walls using just little frayed washcloths and help each other out of the pit. Anyone who tries to bypass this strategy by trying to get out alone simply slides back into the water, helpless. There was no resolution to this dream; I believe it was a metaphorical representation of the current plight of American women and what we need to do to solve it.

As I engage with the women in my resistance group (a group that represents the MD, VA, and DC areas), despite everyone being united in the pursuit of progressive change, I'm seeing some truly difficult conversations and confrontations between the women there regarding racism and sexism, and how both those factors have brought us to this moment in history. In particular, the women of color among us have been educating white women - often with exasperation - that progressive white women must stop distancing themselves from women who would vote for Roy Moore and embrace a leadership role that could finally affect change. This reality has existed longer than the year that Trump has been president. For POCs, this has been their world all their lives - they've been screaming into the void about it for ages, warning us that their daily experience of inequality and disenfranchisement could come for us all one day - and many of us with privilege have only just woken up to it.

These online confrontations can get very heated as some of us get shaken loose from old ideas, but I'm so heartened by the results. Like molecules in a primordial soup, even when disagreements happen, or perhaps because of them, the women in these communities are discovering the value of sticking together, lifting each other up, and using what power we have to amplify disenfranchised and oppressed voices. We're all becoming more mindful of unconscious biases that make us all complicit in a system that degrades women and minorities, and we're taking what we learn out into the greater world.

It may be time to revise the old myth about Persephone. While she's in captivity, she's anything but idle. She's making an escape plan.  

 

 



   
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Vida, I was reading over this thread and had a thought about your dream. The women trapped in the sewer of tall slimy walls is Freudian in the female vagina sense of the term. 

Female sexuality is tied up in patriarchy.  The teachings of patriarchal societies - of the Catholic Church, just one example with huge influence, have twisted our sexuality to enslavement. The church has screwed us all up - not just how we are treated, but about what turns us on when it comes to men and sex. 

For hundreds of years and scores of generations, they have defined what it means to be attractive, how sex should be done, and how women should behave around men.  It is all tied up in a twisted patriarchal order.

Even when times modernize and attitudes about sex change, as I have seen since the 1960's, the old patriarchal order continues to rule and influence. Mothers pass it to their daughters who pass it to their daughters.  

According to your dream, it is not possible for one woman to free herself from this system. It will take a tribal approach, a whole culture and multiple generations working together for this change to happen from the inside out.   The "me too" movement is how we start.  

There is so much abuse I put up with growing up in the sixties turning 20 in the seventies. And all silently. Shamefully.  Abuse from employers, from doctors, teachers, colleagues, friends.    Although I had thought of myself as pretty liberated from all that, I realize from the "me too" movement that I have a long way to go deep in my psyche.

 I had a strong reaction when I watched Michele Obama reacting to Trump's Access Hollywood tape where he bragged about assaulting women.  Watching Michele's body visibly revolted by Trump's story had a huge effect on me.  It reached back into all that abuse and brought up outrage like a volcanic eruption. I am grateful to her for that, and to those women in Alabama for their stories. 

It takes a collective unrelenting pushback from women, and perhaps from men too, to clean those sewer walls. 



   
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Jeanne, this post hit me where I live.  Covered this very topic in a private conversation today.  Like the women in the dream, I'm still trying to scrub out the slimy leftovers of what the patriarchy did to me in my formative years....interesting how the imagery resonates with the vaginal clean-off necessitated by rape.  

How hard it is to reclaim one's power--regenerate it, really, after having it stamped out by internalized patriarchy. 

That goes deep, is an intergenerational handoff. 

One of my ancestors was Susannah North Martin, hung as a witch in Salem--and I am convinced that a 'lesson' about keeping one's head down was encoded in the family genes at that point. We were 'taught a lesson.'  The women in my family are all bright, multiply degreed...and all have struggled with curtailment by the patriarchy, and struggle to let our light shine. 

Yep, Vida, that was one powerfully true condensed vision of exactly the work that has to happen now.  -R1-



   
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Ok. What I see, late This century. The final liberation of women will be achieved. It will survive even Climate change disaster, amongst the survivors. This will not be Matriarchy, it will  not be Patriarchy. It will be Autarky. Of the individual, from control and suppression. A new culture is being born. This is a major shift in human society. It will be irreversible. It is coming, this century.Something like Kropotkins "Mutual aide."It is the future. it will not happen, everywhere, at once, but bit by bit. But as the emergence of the Abused women has shown, it is irreversible. 



   
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 Although I had thought of myself as pretty liberated from all that, I realize from the "me too" movement that I have a long way to go deep in my psyche.

 

Jeanne, it is so true. This #meeToo movement has been hard on me. I too have to realize how deep it runs. Abuse that I had stuffed away reemerged, intense anger of not being taken seriously by society (especially as woman of color); how I have played in this patriarchal system with the "oh, i should be/ look/ behave/ crave this or that and not the other. The audacity of having to chose between the good, Holy Mary version of the woman or the Femme Fatale and having been denied the entire spectrum of womanhood in between. Oh how much of our female expression has just been cut to match the male gaze. I'm done with that shit. Fuck it all. I am, we are, going to unearth our power and there is nothing that can stop it. I can feel it in every inch of my body!



   
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Tee, you go, girl!  I'm coming with you. 



   
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Jeanne,

As I pondered what it would REALLY take for Trump to lose the support of his fanatics, I was reminded, yesterday, about Katie Johnson - she was the woman who said Trump forced her into sex acts with him as well with another girl when she was 13 years old (back in ~1994).   Would Trump supporters continue to support him if it was proved he is a pedophile.

Assuming Katie Johnson was being honest in her account (and this assumption seems more plausible than Trump's denial), will she ever be vindicated and will this vindication be Trump's undoing among his supporters?



   
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Codyroo your thoughts make sense if people are decent, but that's assuming a lot from Trumpers. Remember that there were credible allegations against him during the presidential campaign and a majority of white women still voted for him. Also remember Roy Moore who won the vote of a majority of white women in Alabama, while Doug Jones won the support of the majority of African Americans. Right now the lunatic right wing is in full blown conspiracy mode claiming that the students from Marjorie Stoneham high school that are speaking up in favor of gun control are paid actors. If anything is proved against Trump, it doesn't matter, his supporters will claim a conspiracy and that he was framed, they won't believe it. This is a cult, and there is no low that they won't sink to in order to defend their fragile egos and view of the world.



   
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