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Maria D White -

The Republican party not only allowed and continues to allow this, they enabled it completely. It's been decades of the GOP trying to dismantle anything progressive, going all the way back to FDR. Pres. Johnson "sealed the deal" when he, as a Dem, signed the Civil Rights Act. They've been the party of revenge ever since. They allow Twitler to go on because while he's busy being the head clown in the center ring, they are backstage changing ALL the rules. As for the voters who voted for him, they didn't CARE that he's unfit, and the expression I saw bandied about prior to 11/9/16 was "Burn it all down!". This is all white supremacist revenge and fear base action (or inaction, depending).

I agree that Cheetolini still knows right from wrong, and I suspect he always did, but he's a sociopath, so to him, there is no "wrong" as long as it's tohis own benefit.  Someone pointed out on FB the following today, kinds of dovetails with what we're discussing here:

"Re: Ivanka and Don Jr. - Imagine that you read the sworn statement of your mother [Ivana], in which she recounts being dragged by the hair and raped by your father. And then you go to work for your father and do whatever you can to keep him out of jail for the rest of his life."

Sociopaths all, IMHO.


   
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I read Mueller a year ago and posted the reading. https://www.jeannemayell.com/reading-robert-mueller-reveals-much-russian-election-hacking/

He had no doubt even last year that Donald Trump had intentionally commited the crimes of collusion and later of obstruction of justice.  

But he has to make a case that the defense can’t refute. A case of absolute certainty.  I saw a story in Slate that claimed to  make a slam dunk case of his guilt of criminal intent.  It involves his tweet about two congressmen who were indicted.  Will find it and post it here.  

I believe that most people  except the  mentally challenged believe trump is guilty of criminal intent and obstruction of justice as well as collusion with Russia.  But they  want to keep him anyway.  

When someone is charismatic ( and I have no idea why people think he is charismatic but they do), people believe that person is perfect.  It takes a lot to break down charisma.   


   
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I have not seen Trump go to jail. I've always seen his departure as medical in nature, something like a mini-stroke and aphasia used as a way to escort him out of office. Timing wise, it feels like after the Midterms, where he gets maximally stressed from the threat of impeachment breathing down his neck.


   
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I guess it's possible that he could leave based on a pre-text of bad health - he'd hate to be seen to be pushed out, or to have to resign, I don't think his ego could stand it,  so it might be best way of him saving face (in his perspective).


   
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I apologize for not responding to you earlier Robin.  Give my best to your Mother.  The two of you just confirmed my feeling.  We shall see very soon what happens.  I hope


   
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I originally found this site while searching to see whether anyone else had reported a specific prediction (I should have done this months ago!). That prediction is that Trump will experience a deleterious neurological event. (The period between Nov/Dec 2018 and March 2019 feels important, but I can't yet be sure in what respect.)

Specifically, I've seen this as a stroke, involving some aphasia, reduced coordination, and at least a temporary inability to walk without support. I also sense he may already have had one or more minor strokes, or similar neurological events, which have possibly gone undiagnosed—perhaps due to his growing paranoia and the fear of those close to him.

When "the big one" happens, it will be un-hide-able. His cabinet and select senators will explode in a panic, attempting to conceal Trump's condition (as if) while they battle one another over what to do/ generally jockey for power, as per usual. This may last as long as three days before the bottom officially falls out (i.e., they give a presser). That's the vision anyway. Logically, that particular ship is wayyy too leaky to make it more than a few hours, so admittedly, three days of successful secrecy is hard to fathom.

Note: The last time this vision surfaced was the same day that a staffer had to be rushed from the White House by ambulance. After seeing the image of Trump medically incapacitated by something resembling a stroke, I opened my phone and saw the news report with a photograph of an ambulance at an entrance to the White House. It felt like a validation.

Dementia isn't mutually exclusive from stroke (or aneurism, TBI, embolism, heart attack, etc.), but I believe there are complex spiritual factors impacting his mental and physical condition, as well, by which I mean that he's likely been under a great deal of earthbound spirit influence. When/if a medical event does occur, I see Trump instantly losing vitality; he'll look as though he's aged dramatically overnight. (I believe this can be an effect of lower spirits vacating the host for "failure to supply.") 

The point of this embarrassingly long first post is to say that I also don't see Trump's story culminating in jail.

I see the legal collapse of The Trump Organization and Foundation, and a great deal of financial and reputational ruin. I see Don Jr. facing impending indictment, though his thread falls out of sight for me beyond that. (I've also seen a painful event occurring to someone in Jr.'s immediate family, which no one deserves.) I see Ivanka avoiding prison for now, and attempting some kind of faux-inspirational redemption/rebranding quest down the line. 

Finally, I see her there to make a show of assisting her ailing father as he is finally leaving, or being led from, office—whether by his own will or against it, I can't say. 


   
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I agree re the stroke or neuological event.  I ahve a friend who is an accupuncturist (?sp) and trained in China.  He was trained to read certain signs on the face and body.  He was looking at a close up picture of Trump and said that he has a serious medical problem.  He is not healthy.  I have never thought he would go to jail, he will just go away.


   
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Very interesting, Vestralux! Thanks for sharing that. As unfortunate as that would be for Trump, it would simplify a lot of issues in terms of his followers, incitements to violence if he's impeached, him trying to stay in office past 4 years, etc. 


   
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IMHO, one possible Chinese syndrome is "Liver Fire Rising." The symptoms are there--and he's at a fairly advanced stage of the disorder. R1


   
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Posted by: JHolmes

Very interesting, Vestralux! Thanks for sharing that. As unfortunate as that would be for Trump, it would simplify a lot of issues in terms of his followers, incitements to violence if he's impeached, him trying to stay in office past 4 years, etc. 

I agree, JHolmes. As dissatisfying as an exit-by-illness scenario would be for many (i.e., not seeing Trump successfully impeached or boldly voted out, and later indicted), it's potentially a best case in terms of holding calm the electorate, as well as sparing the Office of the Presidency (obviously separate from the individual) further ignominy in the eyes of the world.

In this way and others, a quiet exit feels like the higher polarity outcome, which I see ahead for U.S. generally, although I do feel there may be a period of violent street uprisings coming from the populist hard-right. (A global energy.) 

What I'm uncertain of is whether the 25th Amendment will come into play for Trump. My sense is that momentum for it will mount, but it may be unnecessary in the end. He'll choose to go—or his family, and I'm only seeing Ivanka's face here (potentially no Melania), will choose it for him. It may be important to note that when I first had this vision I saw Woodrow Wilson's name. At the time I didn't know (though it's possible I just didn't remember) Wilson's legacy regarding illness and the 25th Amendment.

The period just before and after the midterms feels bursting, expansive, or explosive (it's hard to find the right term here; feels to my system like tremor or quake followed by a brightening and freshening quality). I believe this will be both clarifying and temporarily destabilizing (a better word might be reorienting) to certain timelines which some may be seeing or feeling now. Critical mass events either bounce the board or tilt it; some pieces will be knocked into a new stream. That said, the momentum could change enough at midterms that Trump veers away from the exit-by-illness line. But should that happen, I feel it would only go darker for him. I see no more potential energy in his reserves. 

I'm very curious what others think.

Also, I want to be sensitive to the fact that, as an unknown here, I'm sharing weirdly specific predictions (which I'm not in the least married to). I wholeheartedly believe in the collective process (it's the heart of my work), and so I was very happy to discover Jeanne's site and all of you.

Today I had a vision of many people standing across a plane which is depicting the American map. They're all wearing VR goggles, presumably immersed in entirely different scenes. Something happens (it feels like 2019?) and most of the people suddenly remove their goggles at once. They all look around, as if surprised to see each other. The expression on their faces feels like a mixture of quiet shock and embarrassment. There's red to the right of the scene, which feels like it may represent Russia, though now that I'm writing this, there's a more layered sense. Powerful revelations, a feeling of "this is painful but necessary." 


   
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Vestralux, agreed. I've had occasions to use herbal poultices, to pack on wounds. Nettles, while they can sting, also draw deep or hidden pockets of infection up to the surface. Pus is drawn out: a crude analogy for this time in the American polity. 'Sunlight heals' is another metaphor. The bright light of day shone on the fungal underside of America is the best thing for us in the long run.  R1


   
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Posted by: RunestoneOne

Vestralux, agreed. I've had occasions to use herbal poultices, to pack on wounds. Nettles, while they can sting, also draw deep or hidden pockets of infection up to the surface. Pus is drawn out: a crude analogy for this time in the American polity. 'Sunlight heals' is another metaphor. The bright light of day shone on the fungal underside of America is the best thing for us in the long run.  R1

RunestoneOne, that's an beautiful corollary. I see Trump as a tangible manifestation of the collective American shadow. It's no accident that he's a reality star whose business has been far more successful at licensing the Trump name than in legitimate real estate or other ventures. He's a potent expression of our excesses in materialism, grandiosity, and self-interest to the point of narcissism. He is our egocentrism, our greed, our avarice, our denial of the sacred—our willingness to remain asleep.

To heal anything in the collective (or individual) shadow, we first have to bring it into the light of consciousness. And that's a painful process, just like drawing out the infection. (I'm calling to mind Paul Levy's Dispelling Wetiko.)

The intense divisiveness and discord Trump's rise has evoked is endemic to the root ailment, not a consequence of it. That's the lesson, I feel. That we are not separate. ...I, too, manifested Trump. 

There are also global and cosmic layers in this collective hero's journey, I think. Putin represents something vital within the global collective that the world will need to integrate, and influence from other, unseen forces—also not separate from us—maybe do as well.

 


   
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Also, Rune, when I read your Liver Fire Rising diagnosis, it dotted a few i's for me.

I hadn't been aware of it and didn't know the features/symptoms, but when someone's liver is inflamed or imbalanced, the energy around it can appear red to me. This tends to be a person with overreactive anger, or repressed anger, which can be carried as resentment and contempt. (Wasn't surprised to read similar in the Liver Fire Rising info.)

Trump's subtle body appears very red to me around the root and sacrum region, a milky amber at the belly, and a washed out yellow moving up from his core to his face. His physical face, of course, often appears red (not just orange), and I've noticed redness in his hands. I hadn't made the connection until reading the words "Liver Fire Rising" but it hit me that the washed out color I see in his greater heart region is the color of fatty tissue, like plaque in the blood vessels. An embolic stroke (had to Google this) occurs when a clot or debris in the vessels around the heart suddenly flows to the brain. Because he seems so strongly imbalanced in the liver, this outcome seems not unlikely, though I could easily be finding evidence to make an intuition fit.

 


   
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I don’t understand how so many see trump resigning for health reasons when there is a massive amount of info Mueller has accumulated. There’s already shown enough to indicate he was at the meeting at trump tower.To resign leaves us with Pence, Gorsuch, all the executive actions and further harmful changes.

Mueller has been too precise to let this end with trump resigning.

 

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Hey, RunestoneOne.  I have a confirmation for you on the pockets of poison being drawn out.  I follow a couple of intuitives.   Last year around the total eclipse, one felt led to lay a chart of the path of totality over a map of the United States.  The path of totality ran through the counties and states that Trump won.  She saw that path as someone taking a scalpel and lancing an infected wound across the nation to let all the poison out so it could be cleaned out in order to heal. 


   
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Ive heard a lot about Apocalyptic fanatics referencing that eclipse as well because the next eclipse is soon and its path of totality is going to cross opposite the last path, forming an "X" over the US. They believe it to say that the end of days/rapture is coming. I dont buy into that interpretation but that said, there might be something to it. 


   
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Hi Anita,

When I look at this rationally, solely as my ordinary self, I agree that in the final analysis, there will be a powerfully damaging, multi-pronged, incontrovertible case compiled by Mueller and his team. We've already seen its success.

And I want to believe that justice prevails. If that were true, impeachment would be a foregone conclusion. But intuitive insights—in whatever form they appear—aren't rational. And in my view, neither is this current experience in our history (it's been referred to as post-truth, speaking to the shadow side of post-modernism, but where Trump's concerned, I consider it pre-rational; I don't think he's developed the capacity yet).

I want impeachment. I see illness. 

But I don't see Pence coming next—or maybe I do, but the image of him is like a card falling almost instantly out of its slot. (When I probe this, it feels as though Mueller's work may be effective enough to usher the removal of several ranking members of the GOP, as well as certain Democrats. This could be wishful thinking.) When I ask the question, "who will replace Trump?" prior to 2020, should he leave before the next election, I see the image of falling cards again. It's as though they're flipping quickly through what I think may be VP and Speaker, and possibly not stopping until President Pro Tempore. 

At midterms, I see the House going to the Dems, so the Speaker will very likely be blue, though I can't be sure whether the person I see is Pelosi. There are shakeups coming. And initially I saw the Republicans narrowly holding power in the Senate (Pro Temp is Orin Hatch who's as bad or worse than Pence imo), but that still feels mutable to me.

I see the path forward like a 3-pronged fork. There's energy and momentum building, but shifts are still occurring, and the "tine" that matters hasn't revealed itself. 

Does anyone see this more clearly?


   
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MAS,

Yes, there are some people out there hoping these are the last days and saw the eclipse as a sign of the Apocalypse. I grew up around that, and got out as soon as I could. That is not what the internet women are all about.  I met Anna many years ago when she did a reading for me. She is very tuned in and accurate in her work.  I saw the eclipse last summer as a positive thing.  People were all laughing and being kind to each other for a whole afternoon.  It was such a nice break from the ugliness we had been experiencing.  


   
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Liver fire rising can produce the following symptoms: 

  • Dizziness, tinnitus, sudden deafness (loss of balance?)
  • Dry mouth and throat (we've seen him gulping water)
  • Insomnia (3 a.m. tweets anyone?)
  • Irritability, shouting in anger, stress, the propensity to lose one's temper (Ummm...)

If the heat still remains untreated it will become so intense and moving that it will transform into “internal wind”. The symptoms of "internal wind" are manifested either by intense movement in the form of tremors and convulsions, or by lack of any movement - rigidity and paralysis.  Symptoms of "Liver wind" are tremor of the limbs (Parkinson’s disease), convulsions, rigidity and arching of the back and neck, deviation of the eye and mouth, paralysis of the body or tongue (hemiplegia, aphasia), high temperature, severe dizziness, sudden unconsciousness, coma.

Watch for it.

In answer to your question, Anita, it's just an intuitive sense I've had for over a year. Not that removal via illness is justice... It's also *possible* that to a true patriot like Mueller, making a deal with Drumpf like "Resign for health reasons and we won't jail your kids" may be thought better for the country as a whole than exacerbating our ongoing rifts with a big trial.

TaG22 thanks for the validation!

Vestralux - I think I love you. ? You're the first person I've 'met' who knows of Paul Levy's Dispelling Wetiko. 

That work underpins the novel I'm writing. R1


   
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Rune, I'm so glad you've read it! I'm a writer by profession, so I'd love to hear about your novel. (I tried to see whether there was a DM function here, but it didn't look like it.)

The list of symptoms I read earlier felt in alignment, and this one certainly seems 'right.' I suspect DT's had these issues for some time. It's interesting to me that this particular constellation of symptoms, even though connected to the liver, seems to point toward a neurological cascade if left unchecked.  


   
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