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"Ascent" & the 4th and 5th Dimension

(@jeanne-mayell)
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@ana. I love this method. Thank you. 



   
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@mkay

Welcome to the forum.  I am so happy you decided to post and shared how you don't let negative emotions consume you.  I hope you continued to join in our conversations.



   
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(@ana)
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Posted by: @theredone

I think this election/world politics is causing some people to stay behind with their negativity and the rest will evolve and move forward.  So as many have predicted the earth is splitting, not physically, but metaphysically and some will stay behind.  

I've been reading for years about the "coming ascension" and how those who "can't make it" will be "left behind".  It sort of parallels the pseudo-Biblical idea of the "rapture"-- and, because I have a deep mistrust of fundamentalist religion, I in turn have a bit of skepticism about this "left behind" bit.   

But my degree of skepticism depends partly on what is meant by "left behind".  The fundamentalists picture it as all the "good" people beaming up to Heaven to float on clouds with the angels while the "bad" people remain in a literal hell on Earth.    I do not think that is what the spiritualist/new age/whatever-you-wanna-call-it idea envisions.   

But I do not grasp the what they *do* mean by "left behind".  Are the less-evolved split out into a different reality? Do the more-evolved end up on an Earth similar to what we know, but where everything is much more loving and conscious and kind, while the less-evolved stay on something like (or worse than) the Earth we know? Do people realize that a change occurs when it occurs?  Do the less-evolved suddenly "disappear", from the perspective of the more-evolved, and vice-versa?  Or maybe it means that when our current lives are done, the more-evolved reincarnate into higher dimensions/more loving realities while the rest keep grinding out their karma on the same Earth?

    I realize these are questions to which no one really knows the answers, but I would like to hear some ideas about it. 



   
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@ana

I don't believe in the split world idea. Like you said, it's just a 21st century repackaging of the Christian Rapture. I think a lot more of us will be integrated ("ascended"), but we will all still be occupying the same plane of reality. And those of us who are integrated will innately aid those who are stuck just by our presence and the strength of our inner light. I think the spiritual thrust of the entire universe is towards integration, not entropy.



   
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@tgraf66

For me it is possible. When I feel something I feel it fully. For example, grief. I feel the grief. I allow it to fill me. I look for it's message. I am also an observer of my feeling of grief. I see myself. I watch me grieve. I feel it and then I am outside of it, looking in. I am able to then release it, and I observe that too. 

I suppose the trick is realizing you can hold contradictory thoughts ad feelings. You can be happy & sad, grieving, and healed. You can detach from all of it and you can also be brave enough to feel it and then part with it. 

It is an act of acceptance and remembrance, being able to recognize you are more than the feelings. Ypu are more than the observer of the feelings. You are endless, timeless, and it all serves a purpose to grow and then return back to what you are, an infinite joyful soul having a human experience.



   
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@theredone. Hmm, this is profound.  (And  might help immensely with my mom's situation.) Thank you for your post! :)



   
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Posted by: @ghandigirl

I suppose the trick is realizing you can hold contradictory thoughts ad feelings. You can be happy & sad, grieving, and healed. You can detach from all of it and you can also be brave enough to feel it and then part with it. 

F. Scott Fitzgerald said that "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." I've been thinking a lot about that quote because it just seems so true for those of us living right now (especially in the Trump years and their aftermath). Thanks for giving me an opportunity to sharer that quote!



   
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@ana I've been thinking about this supposed "ascension" as well (probably because I'm reading a book on it). It seems no one really knows what will happen.  I've read the our entire universe is moving into a high energy zone, or that energy is being beamed to us via the sun or the earth is splitting in two, etc.  What i've been noticing is that people are creating different realities for themselves, like trumpers truly believe the election was stolen and Democrats truly believe Biden won (not that i'm disgreeing- my reality is that Biden won)  And we can't understand how the other people can't see the truth and vice versa, so we seem to co-exist but in different realities.  Democrats went through what the trumpers are probably going through right now for 4 years; despair, depression anger, but we processed, we dealt with and moved on.  Now the "others" in their reality will have to deal with their negative emotions and depending on how they deal with it, evolve or not.  I did read that when we all come together, that is when we shall evolve as a planet and that we should maintain our positivity (light) and send positive vibes to the "others" but pretty much ignore them because we can't change them or we will get sucked into that reallity/plane/vibration.  



   
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To get a better grasp how this 4D/5D energy transformation is happening, we must stop viewing the process from a 3D perspective. To wit, time and space are actually just illusions of this slower energy state we find ourselves in.  In reality, everything has happened, is happening and will happen, right now, right here, in this instant.  What we experience as time and space is really just an echo of this Big Bang of instant creation. 

For a better understanding of how this is so, science gives us a peek into true understanding. At the macro scale, Relativity tells us that matter and energy are the same thing, E=mc^2 (or that everything is energy).  It also tells us that as we approach the speed of light, time stops.  Thus at the true state of energy, there is no time, just existence. 

At the other side of the spectrum, Quantum Theory gives us the clearest hints towards the illusion.  With particle entanglement we see particles (the basic structures of matter/energy) act as if they are one with each other; almost as if time and space don't really exist. It is a marker of the Greater Reality: that at the most basic, we are all One, United.  Our consciousnesses are simply different aspects of the same, all encompassing, Source; learning, growing, creating and experiencing through this unique reality. 

The laws of this universe did not just happen randomly.  They are in place to give us one of the greatest opportunities available for soul learning and growth: Duality.  Something that is not possible in the true state of "Knowing of Unconditional Love through Unity."  Duality comes about through this illusion of time and space. Both of these things allow us to experience the law of cause and effect.  Thanks to time and space, we fully learn how our actions and thoughts in any given moment lead to changes in our reality in subsequent moments, in either positive or negative ways.

-Continued-

 



   
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Another way to think of the progression of time/space is in terms of higher energy states.  We, as a collective, are here, learning through cause and effect, creating and growing towards an ever higher energy state of Unity, or Unconditional Love. I've heard it said that we could refer to our current time period as the Dim Ages.  However, we are on the precipice of the shift to the Bright Ages, where we will finally be cognizant of our true nature of Unity.  This, in turn, will offer the souls, who are ready, new opportunities for learning, creating and growth. 

Souls who are here right now, but not necessarily ready for the shift will and will not divide off onto another path.  To understand this we must, again, shift our perspective.  Souls who are not ready will simply continue to incarnate into different periods of the Dim Ages until they have achieved all the growth and learning available in that energy state and are ready for the new opportunities of the 4D/5D world.  In other words, there is no separation and no one will be left behind.

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