[Closed] The Great Turning Part 6

@cindy Thank you for the governor’s message. I have been too furious to be on too much social media. It is nice to know I have a sister soul in the state with me. Now if only we could ensure a victory for this years Senate race in the state.

I pray that the future brings peace for you as well. 

Cindy,

The prediction you said in your post-I just said that in mine as well. I'm glad I'm not imagining it lol.

I remember it as it really caught my attention. I was wondering at the time how that would come to pass. Now we know.

A corrupt, compromised court that has lost the respect of the majority of Americans, except for those who used it to accomplish their fascist agenda.

Posted by: @jeanne-mayell

Posted by: @lovendures

Yesterday I kept hearing Beethoven's Symphony No. 7 in major op. 92- II, Allegretto pop into my head.  I have noticed when I start to randomly hear this melody play in my mind,  it can mean something ominous is about to occur. I made note of it.

Here is the song.

It does become a bit lighter after the beginning and at the end, the melody is repeated but altered a bit so it is less heavy.  At least there is that. 

But I only was hearing the beginning part yesterday which is the normal way I am presented with this song as a foreboding warning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCHREyE5GzQ

Lovendures, I love that movement known as a funeral march.  And I can't help but think that you are tapping into the SCOTUS decision as a catalyst for the end of the era of despots.  Napoleon had just been defeated in France and it was the end of a despotic era for him.  Ironically, Beethoven had written Eroica (the third symphony) earlier as a celebration of Napoleon who many thought was going to be democratic leader to take place of the monarchy. But he turned out to be a despot. 

Anyway, I think the SCOTUS decision is the beginning of the end for the Trumpian billionaire era, and your thoughts of Beethovan's seventh symphony funeral march reflect that it's going to be curtains for this SCOTUS and for Trump, the way it was for Napoleon.  

When I woke up today to my phone going bonkers with alerts and read the news, I also felt the "funeral march" I heard was also about SCOUTS not just yesterday, but certainly today.  Love how you explained the tie of Beethoven and Napoleon.  

Interesting connections. 

@cindy I fully agree with you, although I do see a physical war. We are already looking at the physical war - in Uvalde, in Buffalo, Boulder, Sandy Hook, the Pulse, our churches, our supermarkets, our schools - the very seat of our government. We've been seeing violent war here for 20 plus years and although everyone screams let's not let this become the "norm" it IS the norm. We're in a violent war as we speak. We have just conditioned ourselves to ignore it. 

I 'see' the combination of the Jan 6 hearings and the decisions of the corrupt Supreme Court slapping us out of our complacency. And I 'see' more violence (bumpyness). 

I also 'see' women turning this with minimal violence. The fuse was long, it finally hit the keg, and we're not going to let it go on anymore. The keg is going to explode, but it will be through as peaceful a means as possible. 

Back in November I had this dream:

I had a dream last night. I have very weird dreams usually. I dreamt that a woman was pregnant and her baby was under threat of evil forces. There were 7 transformers providing protection to her and the world. I think the transformers may have been an interpretation of archangels or totem guardians. They allowed the woman to pull their hearts out and swallow them so they could also grow inside her womb to protect the child and allow their DNA to combine with the baby. When the woman was supposed to give birth, the 7 protectors would return to their former selves. An evil presence which seemed more like a space ship was scouting and looking for the pregnant woman. With the guardians inside her womb, she transformed into a new planet or world. She was way more powerful than the ones hunting her. If this dream is prophetic than by my estimate of a 9-month pregnancy, something big and world-changing should happen by July 2022. Does anyone else have any interpretations of this or feel anything really big is coming?

And now it's starting to make sense to me. In the dream, I remember the woman tranforming into a new world. I believe it was femininity rising. The space ships that were fighting against her were like little flies compared to her power. She wasn't concerned or worried about them subduing her. She was the most powerful being our world has ever seen and there was no fear of going back to evil ways. 

Looking at the dream now, I think it's timed to coincide with the SCOTUS ruling on Roe v Wade. I think this was a dream to not worry about the future. We're going to be okay. The matriarchy is rising and nothing can stop it. The patriarchy is decreasing in power and they will never come back to the way they were.

@cindy  I so feel the accuracy of your statement.

Fucking monsters… they want to force us to have children that their adoring gun toting deviants can target practice with at schools, churches, synagogues and grocery stores and movie theaters and any other public gathering places…. I so pray this is the fulcrum to wake to action all the side line sitters complacent in the belief that it doesn’t matter.

and I apologize for my profanity if it offends anyone... there are times it is needed tho.

I had to say good-bye and fly away home to my 17.5 year old pup, faithful companion, today... the grief and the hits just keep on coming...

When I stepped outside earlier... a black and blue butterfly came and sat on my shoulder as I watered my garden. I know all of this too shall pass but right now? It's soooo hard and my head is splitting and my eyes swollen as I grieve all that has come to pass.

My prayers for you and yours as you face the days ahead of your father going Home as well. May you be strengthened and sustained by those who love you and lift you to the Light and may the Highest Good for all Concerned be made manifest. Much Love and Light to you.

@chromosomexy I agree with your interpretation 100%.  Your dream is a great gift to our community.  It gives us hope.

I want to bring this interesting note to everyones attention.  

Every guy friend of my 23 year old daughter who has commented publicly on the SCOTUS ruling overturning Roe has been very upset by the ruling.  They want woman to make their own choice and are upset that it was a handful of men who overturned a right they also hold dearly as well.

My point?

Don't overlook the men in our lives who also think this horrific decision is wrong.  I am really happy to see all the men in front of the Supreme Court support a woman's choice and who are also disillusioned as with the court. Especially the young men.  

The Crosby Stills Nash and Young song Teach Your Children comes to mind.   The 20 somethings to early 30 somethings  are the children of my generation.  I am encouraged by this generation and I am reminded once again about the importance of the education of our youth.

They are our future. 

Posted by: @lovendures

Don't overlook the men in our lives who also think this horrific decision is wrong.  I am really happy to see all the men in front of the Supreme Court support a woman's choice and who are also disillusioned as with the court. Especially the young men.  

I'm not a younger man, but I am one of those men who think this horrific decision is wrong.  

I want to say just overall, as a person who spends a great deal of time with youth, Gen Y and Z in particular are going to make up for Gen X's overall apathy and invisibility, and the Boomers who are definitely long past their political expiration date, yet somehow continue to get moved around the fridge instead of removed.  Gen Y and Z may have the self absorption of youth, but they're very much attuned to this.

Speaking of the younger generation(s), if any young women you know use the period tracking app, tell them to delete it NOW.  Immediately, and track their cycles using good old-fashioned pen and paper.

I really wish news organizations would use the term Pro-Birth, instead of Pro-Life. 

There is little "Pro-Life" consideration about how the US currently supports a human life from conception through death in our states and across our country.  It is complete hypocrisy to mandate a child be born and yet not  support the pregnancy, birth, childhood, adulthood and senior years with universal healthcare for all ages, mental health programs, affordable housing, guarantied paid maternity leave, childcare, a good quality k-12 education .  

This was a "Pro-Birth" ruling only. 

@lovendures  Or "forced-birth," or "anti-choice." Liberals ceded a lot of the language related to reverence for life to these extreme wack jobs. We need to claw that back.

@dannyboy   Honestly, I think every younger generation is attuned to the emerging issues of their time.  Baby boomers included.  Think of the 60's and the protests and the radical changes that were implemented with regards to women's rights, civil rights, peace activism, and environmental awareness. 

But as people get older, they tend to get bogged down with work, family and all the daily details of life and don't put their attention  to wider issues, and indeed they may not have the time and energy to do so.  This will happen with Gen Y and Z too, I am sure.  But while they still have youthful energy and time to get things done, they will do so.  

(FYI you *are* a younger man.  😉  )

I wonder if we could take it a little easier on the generalizations about demographic groups including the elders. I’m entering the “top of the seventh inning” and many of us in this group, having come of age in the 1960’s and 1970’s, are still doing all kinds of work to support change and turn away or possibly dissolve (what is the right metaphor?) the energy of domination and violence that has been with our planet for so long.

Doing pro bono mental health work to support young people struggling to make ends meet, writing and making art, helping our grown kids through 2020, doing things for our neighbors, growing food for the local food bank, advocating for the natural world, raising money for voter registration initiatives etc.  And yes Iridium, you are so right, we do get bogged down especially while raising families and then helping our parents. The seventh inning can be such a gift to us who have gotten there, with time and still the energy and inclination to do things

Thanks for allowing me to put this here, love this Forum. And apologies if this seems like a rant, I am a little undone today by the Supreme Court decision.

@marigold hugs! We are all undone today. Even though we knew it was coming (in some cases before the draft was released), we are still hurting with this cruelty.

@marigold Apologies - I had an entire paragraph discounting my “sell by date” metaphor re: politics, because I felt it was harsh, but I deleted it to keep the post overall as brief as possible.  I’m a solid Gen Xer and I don’t want our generation thought of as apathetic and invisible (though boy do we have yet to come of age overall!) I’ll choose my words more carefully next time.

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@lovendures One of my all time favorite songs. And although I know every word of it I've never read it like a poem.  It's truly tugs at my heart.

I hope all the gents here realize that when I generalize about men on a day like today, I'm not including y'all. I do realize, as @lovendures says, that those here are not the same as those who either support or are ambivalent about today's ruling. I am technically a boomer, but I can't tell you what happened to my generation and those older. Those here of my generation tend to be more progressive, and still attached to their roots-civil & equal rights advocates, pro-choice, LGBQT supporters, etc. Too many boomers have gone off the rails somehow. I can only imagine it is from watching faux news. @marigold- I don't let the gripes about the boomers here get to me. They aren't referencing me specifically (similar to how I am not taking aim at the males here). I have been amazed over the years that the kids I once partied with now espouse philosophies and opinions that parrot my parents-the very sort of people these folks once rebelled against. I still have some friends from school days who are like me-not believing what we see and hear from so many of our generation, still holding fast to the ideas of our youth. 

@luminata, I agree, these wars you quote have been going on for quite some time. The war I don't see is the full on kind that has engulfed Ukraine (with the aid/ignorance of the red portions of our country). I do see a war at the polls, in commerce, in protests and in other more feminine ways. The woman scorned, and all that. Those cheering today-they won't see it coming-bless their hearts. 

Those of us here see that the court was packed by a political group with an aim. We know they refused to let Obama appoint someone when there was a vacancy. They can't abide by their own rules. Double standards, back alley deals, old boys networks, they don't think it's detectable as their base can't see it for what it is. We all see that five of these 'justices' were appointed by two presidents who lost the popular vote. We see that all of these 'justices' lied under oath to get their positions (claiming that Roe was precedent that shouldn't be overturned). We see that two of these justices are actual sexual predators. This decision will open the door for more of those who were thought the emperor actually had new clothes to see he's actually in his birthday suit. They won't be pleased at the sight. 

Yes to everyone's comments about age and gender generalizations here. There is a majority of people in this country who support abortion as healthcare. A cross section of all ages and genders are floored by this decision. 

Cindy, I get where you are coming from on the violence and I don't see a major war coming from this. Plenty of good trouble coming for the minority though. 

I think we'll hit them where it hurts them most - the wallet.

@dannyboy no apology needed though thank you...I also find it hard to take people criticizing younger people as a group- who are so hard working and dedicated and determined to work for change in whatever capacity in which they are engaged. The generations behind me are so brave.