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North Korea, Trump, and kim, and the peace talks.

(@zoron)
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I wish I had good news on this. But did a fairly quick scan, plus divination. 

The bad news; NOPE, it does not achieve peace. There are moments when it wobbles towards possible agreements and compromises, but ultimately, it collapses. 

The outcome then is that the only option left, as trump see's it, is the military option. So Late may, we shall see it all unfolding, perhaps as early as april, but probably late may. War by late Summer. 



   
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California is in danger again in my minds eye. I think though it is natural as in a quake. Lots of dreams lately. Including one wear I saw the ground crack. I keep dreaming I need to get a flight out.

If there is war in NK it will be Japan and SK that pay, do you concur Z? 



   
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Hi Fran,

I have been in turmoil, since the peace talks offer was announced. 

My scanning, meditation, and divination, all showed that after initial indications of success, and determination on both sides to achieve something, it was ultimately going to fail. This would ultimately mean only the military option was available and left, for both sides. The I-Ching readings were remarkable, with strong indications of determination and wanting a resolution by both sides, whose leaders are now trying to "Sell" the peace process to both sides. They are already encountering some difficulties. The original offer was the result, i am reading, of some very hard work by the South Korean Government, whose very physical survival is at stake. The use of the Olympic games as diplomatic cover for discussions, followed by the peace delegation to the North, from Seoul, who then visited Washington, was an unexpected outcome, for both sides. It has placed huge pressures, internationally, on both sides, for peace, not war. On both sides, there are leadership elements who are instinctively opposed, and who will try and prevent things proceeding.  This is partly out of fear, and partly out of xenophobia.  At the moment, the peace factions are predominant. interestingly, Kim "Sold" the peace process to his own leadership cadre by saying it was a diplomatic trap, that it showed that if there was no peace, it would be because of american opposition and refusal to talk. This would be to North Korea's advantage. To Kim's surprise, the response of trump, to the South korean envoys, was to say yes. Trump, for once, made the right decision. His instincts told him that to say no, would lead to criticism, and he would lose face. But by saying yes, and agreeing to Peace talks, and then if they fail, blaming the Koreans, would be a smart move. Especially as this can be sold to his own supporters in the inner power structure as actually finally clearing the way for a "Shock and awe" military strike on Korea, as "Everything else would have been tried, and failed". (Please see my previous postings on this, about a massive airborne strike from North America on Korea). likewise, re the reaction of Kim. So both sides are now "Locked in" to talks. They are now being prepared for. 

Further developments are that the preliminary stages will be a success. International support and mediation will ensure that there is very significant pressure on both sides. Technical discussions will take place. What i got, during meditation, was "This agreement will not be believed, until after it actually takes place". However, then the trouble starts. There are powerful factions and forces on both sides, who will oppose. the North Korean generals will strongly oppose. The Neo-Con elite in America will oppose. Various forces will take measures to prevent or undo the agreement, as they are now doing with the International nuclear treaty with Iran, and especially, the Americans. 

So: Success, at the moment, but danger of ultimate failure. This unleashes a war. Trump is using his "Art of the deal" ploy, but this time the stakes are high. he is gambling the lives of about 80 million Americans, in the Western USA, on not failing. In the event the treaty collapses, or is agreed, but prevented from being signed, then the situation will be very grim. A crisis will ensue, and Kim will attack the South, either as a response to the US attacking them, in a preemptive first strike, or as a last ditch gamble to seize the South, after peace process collapse. All the critical decisions have been taken, on both sides, on how to do this, and under what circumstances, if this peace process leads to confrontation and war. I think the timeline plays out over the rest of this year. Lastly, I am reading that there have been secret talks, already, before the South Korean peace mission, using non-governmental agents, and someone who is directly connected to trump, which have been kept completely secret from the main USA Government ministers and people. The Isreali,s have been watching, and making contingency plans, of their own, if the talks fail, and there is a later war. There may be a gap between the ending of talks, and military action. This may last some months, as desperate attempts may be made to fix the problems, by other states. So expect it to lead, inexplicably, to another war, in the Middle East. This is my first extended analysis/scanning of the situation, but at the moment, it is the main timeline. there will certainly be peace talks. but they may, ultimately, not deliver, and could fail.



   
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So are talking nuclear war here?? I remember months ago people picked up that this spring something significant will occur on the west coast of the US... but this could be related to weather/climate/ tetonics.

I'm also worried about South Korea, of all involved parties, they are on the losing end.



   
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If Bolton is elevated to be nsa war with Iran becomes ever more likely. He’s salivating for it. 



   
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THIS is exactly what I have been scared of, after the 2011 Rapture and 2012 Mayan prophecy. There are questions that really need to be answered:

  • Will any one of these countries (North Korea, China, Russia, USA) use nuclear weapons?
  • How many fatalities to be expected?
  • How long will the war last?
  • If they use nuclear weapons, then in what manner are they going to be?
  • Is the Philippines going to be affected?
  • What will be the expected flashpoint?
  • Are we going to SURVIVE the war?


   
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This is very scary. What is wrong with people? War is nothing but destruction. I pray for peace, thank you for sharing. 



   
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Tillerson is out.  Pompeo is replacing him.  This is very bad news in terms of a war with NK.   https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-replaces-secretary-state-tillerson-cia-director-n856091

 

Pompeo is a first strike, bloody nose, advocate. 



   
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Pompeo is a hawk on Iran too and the Koch’s flunkie congressman. 



   
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Just what I came here to say. Tillerson was in favor of the Iran deal... war, here we come...



   
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