@jeanne-mayell I've had daydreams since the inauguration that there would be a 9/11 type attack. I can't say they were flashes, but more like daydreams when idle. I was in the building as the terrorists were planting the explosives (or I was remote viewing thru someone who was there-not sure), and while they were dressed in foreign garb, they were not foreign, and they were talking about how Rumpus was in on the plan. This was caught on video on my phone, and that phone & I both survived in the rubble-in the daydream. So, I've always kind of expected a false flag event from this administration, tho I believed it to be on US soil, and I expect it to be known (at least eventually) who did it.
It is curious that the plane was Ukrainian. Bomb, missile, or mechanical? All too familiar for me. The most dangerous times for planes are at take off and landing. This one disappeared from tracking 2 minutes after take off. I feel for the families of those involved. As for Iran not releasing the black boxes to the US (Boeing), it goes against international treaties and laws. The country of manufacture of the aircraft, the country where the accident occurred and the home country of the airline involved are all to be privy to the investigation. Iran may be covering up something, but on the other hand, if this is purely political in motivation, they will harm their own citizens on board. Without being involved, or if Iran opens the black boxes without US representatives there, they can harm their citizen's rights to sue or compensation should it be the fault of Boeing or the Ukrainian airline's maintenance.
As for a Russian plane with an oligarch on board being in FL at the same time as IMPOTUS, that's routine. There are a few folks on twitter who watch airplane tracking for just this thing, and unfortunately, it's rather common.
Thank you for sharing this information with us a I know you are very well aware of procedures in situations such as this one. I am thinking of you today and your sweet and dear daughter. May her memory be a blessing today and always.
I am glad to know there is protocol to follow that mandates the sharing of information with the home country/flag of the plane and the country the where the aircraft is manufactured. If Iran is breaking international law by not releasing the information, that is quite worrying.
This must be so painful for the families of those killed. They deserve the truth and it doesn't look as if it will be coming anytime soon. May they feel the love and prayers being sent from around the world as they take their first steps in grieving and healing.
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Cindy, thank you for all of your sharing. This must be so tough for you, feelings inside you about this that stir up so much. Thinking of your angel daughter always there with you, always, at one with the divine.
Haven't been able to check the news much today. If something comes out that contradicts what I've felt is true, I'd like to know.
Some news I read a few days ago- maybe it was NPR: When Trump was seeking advice from his hawkish advisors about how to respond to the Baghdad embassy storming; his advisors had told Trump that killing Soleimani would be the absolute most extreme response and they offered less extreme responses. Apparently his advisors were shocked he chose such a response because it was so out of proportion and so like to blow things up with Iran.
But it was the perfect thing for Trump to do because it would create a big effect and start a chain reaction that would distract.
Also as I mentioned earlier, I was for days feeling Putin working on a plan after the impeachment to save his American asset.
I read that eye witnesses said they saw an explosion coming from the plane, like a big flash before it crashed -- that doesn't sound like engine trouble. I can't find that article but the Washington Post reported an aviation crash expert said it looked like an intentional act, because of the way it broke-up before hitting the ground. Hopefully more information will come to light.
It wasn't the same Boeing 737 that has been grounded all over the world -- the Boeing 737 800 Max. It's just a Boeing 737. Let me know if I am wrong but I checked it this morning before I flew out in a 737. There are hundreds in operation and they don't have a a history of problems.
It is hard to think that this is the world we live in now. I can only breathe and know that you wonderful people are also in this world, along with so many other beautiful people. I send all my love and healing energy to the families of those on that airplane and the others who are undergoing unspeakable suffering.
And then I wonder what is coming next. I threw some cards Monday before I heard about the airline crash and it looked like this chaos will slow down once Trump achieves his distraction. I don't know about others here, but I don't feel WWIII. Putin of course gets to play both sides -- Iran/Iraq and the U.S. and become even stronger while the U.S. weakens. Just saw this article :The Only Winner of the U.S.-Iran Showdown is Russia.
@Cindy and @Lovendures, @Perriwinkle10, @NelystheAlchemist, @JourneyWithMe2, thank you for your posts.
In my meditation today, I thought about the airliner bound for the Ukraine that crashed shortly after takeoff. I found myself on board looking at all the people in seats ahead of me. It was a normal takeoff, calm, routine. There was no panic, no warning, just suddenly it was gone. It happened in an instant and no one suffered fear or pain. This isn’t the first plane connected to the Ukraine to go down under suspicious circumstances. I suspect Putin. All roads lead to Russia.
Funny enough, I had a post typed out, but not completed yesterday, stating why I wasn't sure that this was an accident. Mom needed something, then dad did, etc. I came back to the computer hours later and finished the post, hit the add reply button, and was told something had gone wrong. Apparently I'd been signed out during the delay. I took it as a sign that maybe I shouldn't speculate, as I've been in the shoes of the families, and speculation can be very hurtful.
My point in that post was that since 2005 Boeing has had inerting systems placed on their new craft. This was done three years before we got the FAA to mandate it on all crafts. These systems place inert gas (non-flammable) into the vacant space in tanks that are not full. The fumes are more volatile than the fuel itself. By replacing the air in the tanks that allow fumes to form, you reduce the possibility of tank fires or explosions.
The video of the plane shows that it was on fire before crashing and exploding. To have a fire that large, fuel must be involved. Planes are designed that if one engine fails, they can maneuver with the second to get to safety. An engine failure or fire wouldn't produce flames as large as what I thought I saw in the video, it was fuel fed from the looks of it. This means that either a fuel line into the engine was severed allowing a free flow of fuel, or the tank was ruptured in some fashion. This lead me to think something was off, like a bomb or being hit by munitions. So far the US military has seen no heat signatures that would indicate a missile hit the plane. The plane dropped from non-official tracking after just two minutes. The plane was not at a great altitude -below 8000 feet, so smaller munitions could have been used that could pierce the wing tanks.
Then last night I read an article where a former NTSB investigator was interviewed briefly. I know the man personally. I trust him. He noted that the altitude was not high, so there is the possibility that there could have been a bird strike. Such strikes can cause debris from the engine to act like shrapnel and pierce other areas of the plane. However, after making that remark, he noted what I noticed -the size of the flame, and the video he saw showed parts of the plane coming off on the way down. He said if it was his investigation, he'd be looking for nefarious causes. He's not one to jump to conclusions easily, and he's sensitive to what the families go through, so he didn't say this to stir the pot-that's not who he is.
So, the US is stating that they believe the plane was downed mistakenly by an Iranian missile.
When I first heard about the plane, I thought " oh no did it just happen again?". My mind flashed back to the Iran Air Flight 655 flight from Tehran that the US Navy mistakenly shot down with a surface-to-air missile in 1988 during the Iran Iraq war.
After making that initial connection and even mentioning it to my family, I soon dismissed it. I thought I probably made the connection because of the airport and the fact that there had just been a missile attack on our air bases. But... now it looks like this might be the case. This is a very sad history to repeat if true. Passenger jets should never very be casualties of war.
Looks like your observations might be correct @Cindy.
So why has Canada with more than 60 Canadian citizens on board been so quiet? Hardly a peep officially other than pushing to be part of the investigation.
For anyone picking up on a Russian connection of the Iranian plane that went down, the US believes it was two Russian missiles fired by Iran that shot down the plane. So the Russian connection might be the Missiles.
There is a video that shows a ground missile fires from the surface to air hitting an item on the sky and you see the impact and them a loud boom
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/video/iran-plane-missile.amp.html
I was picking up the Russian connection for the downed Ukraine flight, but immediately blamed it on Putin. I guess he’s behind so much of the turbulence in the Middle East right now. So Russian missiles, eh? Those poor people and their grieving families.
Yes, that is the theory. But who knows if Putin might be involved in other ways.
So many connections.