Regarding his tweets about liberating, Michigan, Virgina and Minnesota. He wants his supporters to go out and demand the lockdowns to be removed. There were protesters going out and protesting in groups:
Amid the urgent state efforts, thousands of protesters — many wearing Trump paraphernalia — have congregated in the capital cities of Minnesota, Michigan and Virginia, flouting stringent mitigation measures imposed by Democratic Govs. Tim Walz, Gretchen Whitmer and Ralph Northam.
He is just mad that he can’t control the governors like he tried to by saying he has total power. The mad king is pissed that Cuomo is looked like a real leader unlike his unhinged self
....and if these fine people get sick, Trump won't care. In fact, he'll be sure to say that he never expressedly TOLD them to go out and protest, even though he fanned the flames. Non accountable to the end.
And the spiritual message for Covid-19 is hubris. These people will now learn hubris. This virus doesn't care about your political affiliations, your demands of liberty, or the color of your hat.
(red hat...reverse the words and get hat red...condensed to hatred).
@lynnventura
If Trump continues to incite his followers to disregard the advice of doctors and do these mass protests, then they will likely get sick.
I think that the doctors, nurses, and medical workers who are on the front lines need to take a stand! They need to make an announcement that if these people continue to put themselves at risk, then they should not expect the doctors to give them priority over anyone else. Why should they, when these wackos deliberately put themselves at risk, get sick, and then go to the hospitals and expect doctors to help them (and thus putting those doctors and their families at risk). ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!! Should these heroes and their families die just because these idiots feel the urge to meet in large groups, waive their guns around, and say how much they hate government? Well, they can do so (freedom of speech is an important right, after all), but should they then expect doctors to die for them? Should they expect that these medical professionals who are rationing protective gear and who are working double shifts in overcrowded emergency rooms to make room for them and their deliberate stupidity?
I'm sorry, but sometimes people need to be made to learn that there are consequences for their actions. I bet that if they are faced with opposition they will back down just as surely as Trump did when he threatened the governors with his "absolute power." If doctors in these states make an announcement that they can decide as to whether or not they chose to treat these protestors if they get sick, I bet many of them will suddenly feel less enthusiastic about protesting.
Do I hope these people get sick and die? No! No one should die from this disease! But these protestors are like drunk drivers who are putting regular drivers at risk. I think that if they chose to "exercise their rights" in such a confrontational and irresponsible manner, then the doctors and medical workers who are trying to save everyone should have the right to chose too! I'm sorry, but that is how I feel. I am hopeful that if these people believe that they may actually be denied health care, then they may back off and stop acting out, thus allowing us to actually save lives and eventually defeating this virus. This may not seem kind, but I can't help but think that the doctors should be the ones to decide as opposed to being obligated to help these people who continue to put everyone else at risk just to show how much they support Trump.
So....will you donate to the cause? SADS is such a terrible disease, and I want to urge Trump to (1) get treatment and (2) be a leader to inspire others suffering from SADS to get treatment.
I am currently writing a letter to Trump. Here is a small part:
"Based on the reasons I stated above, I humbly ask that your Eminence will support this worthy cause and agree to make a public statement concerning SADS and encourage others to get treatment for it. As President, you would bring hope and inspiration to millions of child predators and rapists currently languishing in our jails and facilities. By publically acknowledging SADS and encouraging those who have it to "cut it off" as you have done, you could do so much for these people and for society at large.
Further, I encourage you to promote a nationwide campaign tackling SADS and becoming its champion. As for me, I will continue to ensure that the American public is made aware of SADS and the treatment available in hopes that one day an actual cure can be found. Therefore, I plan to wear a gold and orange armband in solidarity to you, as a SADS victim. It is my hope that others will do this to show their support. Also, I plan to start a nationwide petition for Congress to designate June 14 as "National SADS Day," both in honor of your Eminence's birthday and so that future generations will always remember the words "Donald Trump" and "Small and Abnormal Dick Syndrome" to be forever linked in the annuls of history."
So, what do you say? Will you join this worthy cause and encourage Trump to "cut it off"? ?
This morning I woke up with a persistent feeling of what Jeanne has called the Great Turning. That it is beginning, across the world. It's not like flipping a switch, it will come in successive phases. It's happening at an individual level, this appearance of new perceptions and thoughts in the heart and mind. A willingness to learn something new? A willingness to be humbled and to reassess what we thought was important?
I've felt this breaking-open, related to the virus, before, but not with the same sense of collective movement and purpose. It feels bigger than all of us, although we are all contained within it.
ETA: There will be resisters, but the resisters aren't and won't be immune to this process. Even if they stomp and storm, they are sensing the same things and, beneath the surface of their conscious behavior, they know that they're playing a game by acting out. Also, a lot of the resisters are terrified of these changes or asleep to life.
@allyn After Trump was inaugurated, I wished ill for the Trump voters and white supremacists, which lightworkers shouldn't do. Now with the rise of COVID-19, I feel that they will disappear in droves and will be Trump's downfall. I feel that the next president after Trump will enact radical change that will be beneficial.
Attached is a NY Times opinion piece about why some Rs are hell bent on ending the lockdown, no matter what. Thanks to Reagan, for the past 40 years the conservative movement has worked towards dismantling the New Deal political order and turning the clock back to when big money could act without restraints. Enter this pandemic -- which painfully exposes the economic and social inequality in our country. Ordinary people need security, whether in normal times, or in the face of a pandemic crisis. So as the working class see that a social democratic state is possible under these conditions, they will also see its possibilities when growth is high and unemployment is low. And because Sanders and Warren -- God bless them -- pushed progressive ideas into the political mainstream, voters are beginning to understand and welcome this essential truth.
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A Yale professor who specializes in fascism tracks Trump's fascistic response to the Coronavirus.
Studying Fascist Propaganda by Day, Watching Trump's Coronavirus Propaganda By Night.
Let's hope that he is stopped. I think most of us see hope for him to be voted out in November, but I read somewhere that some people think he may be silenced in May. I see how he is instigating violence against governors who are trying to save lives, and I honestly don't think that we will make it to November. I am sad to say this, as I never wish ill health on anyone. That being said, we have suffered from this man's evil for so long that should he get sick and be forced to resign early, I am sad to say that my first and strongest feeling would be of relief. Say what you will about Pence, but I don't see him actively telling his supporters to stage rallies with firearms in hand. And I trust Pelosi and the House Democrats to keep Pence from implementing any policy changes until November.
I am still so frustrated, though. Why are these people protesting these measures designed to save lives? Why do they feel the need to bring guns with them as well? I am so angry, and I feel discouraged, because they seem to continue to get away with everything, and I feel they will never suffer the consequences of their actions. Just once, I want them to feel the fear that the rest of us suffer every time they take to the streets with their AK-47s and threaten us under the guise of "free speech."
When will we finally be free of these people? When will they learn that they are wrong or, at least, become fearful of being so open about their evil and Satanic ways? Yes, their beliefs are Satanic. Because if you look down upon someone based on their race, their country of origin, or their gender, then you are basically judging them for the circumstances of their birth. You are saying, in essence, that God made a mistake, because you are saying that He created sub-par human beings. So by saying Mexicans are rapists, that Muslims are bad, or that women are sluts and liars, then you are basically practicing Satanic beliefs.
I want these people to wake up and realize that they are wrong (which is doubtful), or that they worry about social backlash and at least keep their mouths shut. But it seems that they get more powerful. So I am getting more and more frustrated. Even this virus, which is not discriminating against anyone, is not enough for them to set aside their cruelty and selfishness.
How have we gotten to this point?
I tried to post this in the Trump/Unraveling thread, but it seems like the topic was locked? Could be a bug on my end.
At any rate, DC District Court Judge Reggie Walton has the unredacted Mueller Report and, as I understand it, he may release the contents to the public if he finds we have been misled. His review should start as soon as court reopens -- tomorrow.
Sending light to Judge Walton for the just progression of this case.
@sistermoon, That thread is closed because it got too long and slowed up the site. You can post here!
For anyone wondering if Agent Orange were planning to cancel the November election, by all means let him.
then on january 20th, by law, he would no longer be president. it is pretty unambiguous in the constitution that he would not be president anymore. he could claim to still be president, but he wouldn't be president. i realize nothing matters anymore, but like, there's definitely a lot of people who would stop listening to him once he is legally no longer the president. there might be kicking and screaming but like... look how Maximilian I of Mexico got taken out in 1867. the rebels bribed one of the guards, snuck in and arrested the dude. one way or another the dude is getting dragged out of there.
after the president is removed the order of succession kicks in.
#2 is mike pence. he's out too, same reason.
#3 is nancy pelosi. however, if there was no election, there would be no house of representatives, and likely no speaker of the house. so she's out too. the constitution says the only way to fill a vacancy in the house is through an election, so there's no way around that one.
#4 is the president pro tempore of the senate, which is the longest serving member of the majority party. currently, that's chuck grassley. but 1/3 of the senate will be up for reelection. if 1/3 of the senators are missing, the democrats would have a 33-30 majority.
but the process for replacing senators is different - in some states, the governor can appoint a senator of the governor's party. in some, the governor can appoint a senator so long as it's the same party as the outgoing senator. in some, there must be a special election.
that would mean the following seat changes:
alabama (dem -> rep)
colorado (rep -> dem)
kansas (rep -> dem)
kentucky (rep -> dem)
louisiana (rep -> dem)
maine (rep -> dem)
montana (rep -> dem)
new hampshire (dem -> rep)
oklahoma (rep -> vacant)
oregon (dem -> vacant)
rhode island (dem -> vacant)
this would leave us at democrats+independents 49, republicans 48. meaning the president pro tempore of the senate would be patrick leahy, d-vermont.
so by all means donald cancel the election. mitch loses his seat and some left-wing vermont old dude becomes president. not the one we wanted but meh good enough
mitch loses his seat and some left-wing vermont old dude becomes president. not the one we wanted but meh good enough
The general scenario you described will probably be complete chaos in practice, and it's not something I would actively hope for. But I still have to LOL at your closing two sentences.
Here in Kentucky we have had protest for the last week. It was announced this morning that we have had the highest increase in corona cases since this started. Hopefully they are all trumpers. I am beyond being shocked by how stupid people are.
Also, the geat orange clown yesterday ripped into the FBI. Someone on twitter posted that the FBI never forgets. Let's hope not!
Came across a great quote today:
We live in capitalism, its power seems inescapable - but then, so did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings. Resistance and change often begin in art. Very often in our art, the art of words.
--Ursula LeGuin
@mas1581
Your chaotic view fits with what I've seen when we do our read the future thing. My visions changed over the last few months, and what I see now is total chaos, no one knows who the president even is, and then I see a dark room with someone being sworn in, Pelosi is there but not too happy. No inauguration...
Concerned that protestors against governors who disagree with Trump have ties to Tea Party figures and the Betsy DeVos family https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/20/trumps-support-right-wing-protests-just-got-more-ugly-dangerous/
Excerpt: "Organizers of this new movement include tea-party figures and have ties to the wealthy DeVos family, which at least raises the question of whether right-wing business interests are helping organize the protests, as with the tea party."
Not from my intuition, but this all makes perfect sense. Putin wants to create unrest around the world, and Twitler is his puppet, so it's right out of the Russia covert ops playbook to foment an insurgency in the US using oligarch money.
@jeanne-mayell, regarding the protests against governors: the minute I heard about it, I sensed it was orchestrated by powerful, wealthy right-wing interest groups. But I had forgotten about DeVos and her powerful family. And when you look at the power of social media, it's so easy to quickly mobilize groups of people. I'll just leave it there; I don't want my imagination and fears to run riot.
I'm really pissed off with T's "liberation" tweets. He is encouraging citizens to take up arms. What makes matters worse here in Virginia was his reference to the Second Amendment being “under siege,” where Gov. Northam just signed into law a number of gun-safety bills.
I actually woke up angry about EVERYTHING that is going on. Maybe I just need to feel angry for a while.
Truth be told, I feel quite disjointed. Is that part of my own Great Unraveling and Great Turning? If so, it ain't pleasant!