@cc21 Correct. Her testimony was that the incident was relayed to her by the head of TFG security detail.
On Twitter, someone mentioned that “the beast” had cameras inside it. No idea if that is true, but if it is, that is one quick way to corroborate that testimony.
Immediately after the hearing TFG said “I hardly know her”. Which is an obvious tell of his. But several outlets reported in mid January 2021, that she was one of the aides that were selected to help setup TFG post presidential office at Mar-a-lago.
Carol Leonnig of the Washington Post stated that the Cadillac limo (i.e. the Beast) was not the vehicle used on January 6th when the 45th wanted to go to the Capitol. it was actually the Suburban, which the 45th used for his joy ride around Walter Reed when he was hospitalized with Covid. She raised this point to emphasize that it would have been nearly impossible to grab the wheel in the Beast, but could be done in the Suburban.
Leonnig also stated that Engel and Ornato, the two Secret Service agents in the Suburban with the 45th on January 6th, were accused at times as being enablers and ‘yes men’ of the president—particularly Ornato. She said that was frustrating to agents who were more focused on security, being independent, and good planning. She feels they both lose some credibility because of how closely they have been seen as aligned with the 45th.
Leonnig said there was a very large contingent of the 45th's detail who were personally cheering for Biden to fail. She said some of them even took to their personal media accounts to cheer on the insurrection and the individuals riding up to the Capitol as patriots.
"I’m not saying that Tony Ornato or Bobby Engel did that,” Leonnig noted, “but they are viewed as being aligned with [the 45th], which cuts against them."
Here is Rachel Maddow's interview with Leonnig:
https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1541972469837430784
@deetoo Thank you. I like Carol Leonnig and her article helps to clarify the situation. Something smells off with the contradiction from the anonymous source about what happened in the Trump vehicle. Jamie Raskin made the comment that they have interviewed the two men under oath and there was nothing they said that contradicted Hutchinson’s testimony.
I think Ornato and Engel may have said one thing in their depositions to the J6 Committee attorneys and are saying an entirely different thing in the press, in order to preserve future job and $$$ opportunities in Trump World, knowing that they have absolutely no intention of testifying under oath in front of Liz Cheney on national television.
I feel that we are going through the birth canal right now into a new world, and it is painful and momentous and the outcome has not yet been achieved.
To use another metaphor, many, many people who were asleep before–who gave their power away or didn't realize they could exercise it, who thought they didn't really need to play a role, or that things would go along just fine on auto-pilot–are being asked to wake up and think about what they want the future to really be like.
The early adopters are already fully committed to the change–the equivalent of people who vote in every election, no matter how local. The change now is happening to those who might only vote every 4 years for president or never vote at all. The energy is massive and broadly spread and palpable.
The assaults from the SC seem to just keep coming at us, don't they? I was prepared for a sprint but this is a marathon. I'm grateful for this space of encouragement and would like to offer my own. I participated in a visionary breathwork ceremony in my local community last night and was gifted to feel the power of the Divine Mother flowing through me and all around me. It was very similar to what I experienced during a near-death experience decades ago. I share this with all of you because if we can tap into that power, however you do that, I know for sure we can create the future we long for. It's tempting to give into rage and despair. I've definitely had my moments. We have to feel it all, but we cannot give up hope. There is a power available to us, inside every one of us, that is unlike anything we've yet known collectively. What if that is the gift of this moment? Let's not lose sight of the future we want to create, if we do that we are truly lost. It's going to take all of us.
I had a vision many years ago that seems to have been about what's happening now with the Jan.6 hearings etc.
This was back in 2018, and I didn't get a timeframe, but I saw how the opportunists of the wourld would feel emboldenes by not seeing any real consequenses of their actions and stage a "coup". I write it in quotations because I sensed that there would be a lot of controversy around what to call it. Because of bad organizing some would be tempted to brush it off and ignore it. Then the opportunists would attempt to ignore it and go on with business as usual, but the evidence of their crimes would pile up until even the most intense deniers would be forced to admit that this didn't look good. I guess this is about as far as reality has caught up with that vision.
If the rest of my vision is right, we'll see the opportunist bunch back down, deny that they were part of it or shared any of the belifes of the people on trial. They'll backpaddle a bit, tone down their message and think that they'll just try again when the waters calm down a bit.
I saw a very unexpected turn of events that would surprise the world. I can't quite explain it though. Something like creating a place for all the opportunists to be as opportunistic and exploitative as they please, but only if they are completely open about their motives. I saw them gleefully jump back on board, more hateful and opportunistic than ever. Shamelessly admitting that they believe there should be one set of rules for them and other rules for others, that the poor should be exploited and some people are just worth less than them and so on.
What happens next I can't either really explain, but they seemed to be really happy to be on board their ship of hate and egoism, but slowly realizing the ship they were on was just a rusty old wreck and they were not able to get back on shore.
I have no idea what to expect, but judging from the timeline so far I would guess between a few months to half a year?
I read about the suggestion of Texas leaving the union and could help but wonder if that could have something to do with my vision. Seems far fetched at the moment though.
That's true: Cassidy was not in the car to witness events so her accounting was hearsay in nature. However, the Chief of Security and another Security guy who was there recounted the story to her. No facts were disputed at that time in front of each other and in front of her which leads me to believe it is, in fact, the true account of what happened.
I wouldn't be surprised if the actual witnesses (in the car) have already been intimidated in a dire way by Rumps enablers into either not testifying or lying under oath that nothing happened ...b/c if they verified he was out of control and trying to join his armed supporters in revolt, those would almost certainly lead to criminal charges and treason...the game would be over at that point.
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Anyone read or see "A Hand Maid's Tale" yet (by Margaret Atwood)? REALLY important and relevant dystopian book and film to see, especially right now. Clarence Thomas would fit right in as one of their fixated "Commanders" using religion & piety as a pretext/diversion for the masses but all it ever really was about was maintaining male power & dominance.
Btw: Am I missing something about CT's obsession with ending abortion & birth control? What about Separation of Church & State? We are a secular country, not a Theocracy! Plus, if he is so hellbent on turning the clock back, how about him bringing back the ugly ban outlawing black & white marriages?
@isabelle yes, i read The Handmaid's Tale as soon as my library got a copy in the mid- or late 80s. I never forgot it, it is one of those books that just stays with you. This was during the reagan years, and even then, it felt like a warning of what the USA was becoming. I haven't seen any of the films yet, not sure if i could stomach it.
I also noticed how "Uncle Thomas" conveniently skipped over the Loving ruling when he listed all of the other ones he wanted to overturn. Guess he didn't want to piss off Ginni- bc that chick is crazy. Oh, and what about that old thing about Black folks being 3/5ths of a person?
"...in a ruling of 5 and 3/5ths to 3, the Supreme Court has decided..."