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(@allyn)
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@kateinpdx

Thank you for your kind words.  I am feeling angry right now because I saw footage of a reporter getting verbally attacked by a bunch of Trump supporters for called him "fake news" and stuff like that.

I have had enough.  If I see any of these Trump supporters harass an innocent person in my area, they are going to get an earful from me!  I am sick to death of these monsters!

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In the meantime, I will continue to stand up for myself and hopefully give hope to others out there (as well as put these monsters in their place).  It is more important than ever that we take a stand, so that we recruit more light warriors and make sure our light shines out brighter than their darkness ever could. 

 

 



   
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My problem is that there are more of these people than you think. My friend from high school posted some anti-orange something and was attacked by her so-called "Friends." I sent her a message and said I have to remove you from my page, I can't have anyone who refers to that ass as a kind man trying to clean up Obama's mess anywhere near me. It turns out she didn't know how to turn off notifications or hide posts until I told her.  She says she works with some of these people and is afraid to block them. But after she heard from me, she did. 

If I'm supposed to respect their opinions, too bad. I don't. I won't. I refuse to have these people as friends of mine. This woman told me she has relatives who refer to Muslims [content removed - offensive].  I wouldn't be having anything to do with them. That's the way I am. At my age I am not changing. This isn't about seeing two points of view. This is about cult followers who won't listen to reason. A man who says we don't want to do tests because it brings our numbers up and makes us look bad - as if we could look worse thanks to him - is not someone I can think is smart or kind. And if you can after he's caged children and thinks we're doing great with 80,000 dead, you're an idiot.



   
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@allyn

DJT "won" in 2016 due to Russian interference in the election. It was not a "fluke."



   
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@lb  Yes, but one thing that keeps me hopeful for 2020, is that fact that he lost the popular vote.  I think that all of those people who didn't vote because they believed Hillary would win no matter what, will be out in droves.  



   
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@dhyanaji

I don’t know if he has tweeted anything in regard to Obama commencement speech that was aired by several TV channels including his favorite Faux News. You know he has to be having a temper tantrum.

Facebook has already started taking out fake news. It’s been going on for a month now. Poor T he is worried about not being able to lie to the masses. 

I also can’t stand to see or hear him. He makes me incredibly mad. 

 



   
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Happy Sunday - I have been reading all the posts especially the predictions & visions with great interest. Thank you all for that - they have been a constant source of hope for me & help with perspective. I have a couple of things to offer altho I have not had any clear visions. I am more of an empath in that I can tune in -  horribly so, especially in the last 3 years & more so in the last few months. Almost everyday for some time, I would just start crying--- no warning --- couldn't figure it out & came up with 1000 reasons why but the only one that really resonates is that I am feeling what the collective feels. Sometimes I was so spent I would fall asleep. That has been slowly abating. Its only happened 1x in the last week. 

I was really shocked during the last campaign at how many people were taken in by T's lies & supported him thru EVERYthing & heartbreakingly for me, almost my entire family supported him. I had to stay away as much as possible & literally hardened my heart against them & T & his followers.  Yes, I used "literally" correctly - I manifested my way into open heart surgery @ the end of 2018. (I'M FINE - blessing of bringing my family back!) Inconvenient as I was in midst of planning a move to PA - felt that pull toward more land - back to nature etc. 

The predictions here helped me so much to gain balance & remember (when something I don't want happens) "Its not always about me!" If this is the only way into the LIGHT - then so be it.  All we can do is go thru it & help each other as much as possible. Most of us lead very blessed lives but there are millions globally who do not.  Perhaps this is a great cleansing as some predictions offer to a brighter more NATURE oriented future for ALL. Mother Nature will have her way & we are along for the ride. 

I also feel a visceral reaction to hearing T or seeing him - have to avert my eyes.  I cant get away from it. So I have a thought - when we do see or hear him could we attach a thought or a shine a white light on it so that those that hear or see it will know the truth & wake up?  You are all so tuned in & talented, do you think this could have some effect? Its already happening so maybe we can give it a boost. Any thoughts?  - Jules



   
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@dhyanaji

The Great Idiot is going to be slobbering over his new Playskool cell phone soon... a gift from his "concerned" colleagues. ?



   
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@Allyn

I agree with you on all things except one.

It's not cool to refer to humans as "monsters". I agree that the people you refer to (with the exception of rapists - those you can call monsters) are not good people at all, however it's really, really important not to use dehumanizing terms.

Yes, I know the Right has dehumanized many as much as possible (e.g., "animals", "libtards"). That doesn't make it right. You need to stop. I am calling you in, with love. We can't make the world better if we manifest that some humans are less human than others, regardless of which side they fall on.

So, please allow me to offer you plenty of insulting alternatives that do not actually dehumanize:

  • Asshat
  • Cretin*
  • Feces Tossing Primate
  • Pile of Crap
  • Flaming Dumpster Fire
  • Awful People
  • The Worst
  • Unconscionable
  • Comatose
  • Hypnotized
  • Beholden
  • Idiot*
  • Devil Worshipping Autocrats
  • Ignorant asshole
  • Low Information Voter
  • Fourth Grade Dropout
  • Testicular Emission
  • Unaborted Fetus

And a few from other languages (male form, please inquire if you need female):

  • Pendejo
  • Chingón
  • Lavahuevos
  • Cabrón
  • Porco puttana
  • Cagacazzo
  • Cazzato
  • Cazzo di merda
  • Coglione
  • Mortaccia tua
  • Putain
  • Connard
  • Enculé
  • Couille
  • Arschfotze
  • Depp
  • Abschaum
  • der Penner
  • Drecksack
  • Deku
  • kusottare
  • chinpoko
  • gesuyaraou

*with apologies to cretins and idiots everywhere

The languages are: Spanish, Italian, French, German, Japanese, in that order.



   
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@laura-f

I like Devil worshipping autocrates.



   
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I'm not caught up here right now because of workload and other demands, and have only occasionally been able to read some of the email notifications, so forgive me for interrupting the stream and cutting out again. But I feel compelled to respond to an escalating sentiment I've seen posted here over the past several weeks. 

First, please know that I have no idea who actually feels this way or who's said what (I don't see poster's names in the notifications), and my intention is never to embarrass or call anyone out. I care very much for all of you, and am grateful to be here sharing ideas with you. I also respect you and this place enough to challenge your ideas when I feel it's important, just as I hope you'll continue to feel free to challenge mine. 

So, to my point.

When you refer to "T supporters," you're referring to my entire family. My mother, my brothers and sister, my grandmother, aunts, and uncles, my cousins, even my former step-mother, bless her heart. Absolutely all of them are T supporters, with the exception of my daughter (apparently someone saw fit to bless mine).

When you say they deserve no compassion, again, you're talking about my family.

When you say, as some have done here several times, that you won't give a damn when they get sick as a result of these propaganda-induced protests, you're not only talking about people I love, but about me and my own community. If you haven't realized it, there's no barrier, shield, or border between political polarities—not in families and not in a nation. You're also failing to recognize something essential: they're not a monolith. No group ever is. They don't all share the same motivations or agendas, the same level of intensity, the same negative characteristics or in the same degree.

What they do share is something every progressive person should be interested in better understanding, and attempting to find common cause with. Otherwise, and quite plainly, we're all f@cked. All of us.

Most of us posting here are Americans, and as we say in America: Divided we fall. For us, T supporters are our fellow Americans and whether we love them or not, they tell us something about ourselves and who we are to the rest of the world. That's an important geopolitical exercise in self-awareness. ...Even as a lifelong progressive liberal activist, I'm also a white woman. I can't erase my privilege, my ancestral history, or my color, just like as an American, I can't erase the part of me that is my country's past or present. I acknowledge all of it because not to acknowledge any part of it is a violence I do to myself and others. 

I also take the Jungian view, and believe very much that the intense divisiveness of these times reflect to us our cultural shadows: those parts of our history and nature that still seek to be resolved. The traumas we still have to heal. And I'm also of the Teilhardian camp, so I believe that to do this will take clarity, courage, and compassion, but that the effort will allow us to step into the next stage of our evolutionary progression. Eden isn't a place from which we fell, but one we have to create. And we, by god, better. 

I've written too many lengthy posts pointing to what developmental theorists have to say about stage-based differences in types of beliefs and behaviors, so I'll simply say here that they can also tell us something about the development of character. And it's true: We can't fight a Hitler or a tRump with just compassion and light. Anger is a necessary fuel for change. But it can't be allowed to control us. The moment anger has become self-righteous, indignant, or utterly convinced of how right it is, all it can do is blind us. And if we're blinded, we'll only regress to meet them exactly where they are. What a satisfying victory that would be for them.



   
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@vestralux

I am reminded once again of that old Warrior's Proverb.... however  simplistic it may appear to be....

'Walk in your strength

Choose your battles wisely

And keep your sense of humor 

To save your sanity '

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Posted by: @stargazer

@vestralux

I am reminded once again of that old Warrior's Proverb.... however  simplistic it may appear to be....

'Walk in your strength

Choose your battles wisely

And keep your sense of humor 

To save your sanity '

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Amen! 

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Most of the T-supporters, are not monsters or horrible people, IMO.  Most of them are merely fools:  pitiable pawns in a much larger game.  



   
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Well, I did call them Devil worshippers. nothing personal. My whole family are Republicans. My Parents, daughter, and one niece were and are democrats, and I have a big family. My sister before she started losing her mind finally got to the point that trump had faults, but she had been a republican her whole life and would still vote for him.  



   
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Posted by: @ana

Most of the T-supporters, are not monsters or horrible people, IMO.  Most of them are merely fools:  pitiable pawns in a much larger game.  

I would certainly add to the list:

Fool

Pitiable Pawns (always appreciate alliteration!)

Blinded by Treason

Covidiots (where applicable)

 

 



   
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@vestralux Thank you.  I don't want people to feel shamed here, but this dehumanizing vitriol has got to stop. People are allowed to be angry, hell, I get really pissed off, but please do not dehumanize people. Do not call them monsters or creatures.  This is the kind of language that starts war.  

And please everyone here, call out any posts that incite violence or click the button that reports the post to the Administrator.  

These posts will be removed.   I understand how the writers feel. We're upset.  We hate injustice and lies.  But no good comes from violent language.  Even if we try to soften it by saying that of course we didn't mean any kind of violence, there are those who read this who will get riled to violence.  We are better than that. 

 



   
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I don't read this thread as often as I used to. 

I agree with the wise words of @Vextralux.  

Speaking strictly for myself, I actual do find some of the insults listed as dehumanizing.  They actually make me wince when I read them.  I didn't like it when President Obama was in office and people would refer to him or his supporters with similar language.  I would wince then too.  



   
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So yeah ... there was this guy running around in SF many, many moons ago, and he had this magical truth serum... his name was --Owsley Stanley, but everyone called him Owsley and even called this magical stuff after him.

He was a spiritual revolutionary, and one of his favorite 'quotes' was " With deep catharsis comes deep enlightenment "

Or in other words : " Let it all hang out baby! "

I always liked that guy ?

 

 



   
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@dhyanaji

Lols ... ?

We gotta love it... what did Dylan say.... ??

''Ahh, but I was so much older then.. I'm younger than that now "

(And I must confess, I still listen to  'Masters of War' .....)*



   
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Simply put: We are in a battle of good vs evil.

And no one is coming to save us.

We must save ourselves.



   
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