I don't think that Biden will pardon Trump. First of all, Ford was Nixon's VP, so they were part of the same party. Biden is not Trump's VP or in the same party. There is no way he will pardon Trump.
So if Trump is looking to be pardoned, he should resign before the election and allow Pence to pardon him.
Except....it won't do any good, because pardons are for federal charges only, not state charges. So Trump can't be saved from the New York DA.
I think the biggest problem we have at this point is that the Republican party has become so enamored with Trump that they will continue to nominate Trump-like figures for the next twenty plus years. These people will yell, scream, spout conspiracy theories, and do what they can to cause trouble for Biden so long as they have the ability to do so.
There is only one solution. We must ensure that as long as the Republicans refuse to change their ways, they must be consigned to super minority status. We need to reward the Republicans who want to work with Democrats to make a better country and ignore the ones who try to cause trouble and basically act like Trump.
Let the blue flood come soon!
@frank, wise words. It's a good reminder to look at the motives, fears, and psychology behind each person's political leanings, so we don't demonize people as "other". I have friends and loved ones who support Trump and I see the fears behind those choices. I love them.
But don't ask me to get all lovey dovey over Bush and Reagan right now. I have forgiven them because I see what motivated them and how they were formed to do what they did. But I want to make sure that what they did is seen clearly and isn't whitewashed so it can't so easily happen again.
I don't have a gripe with Trump supporters from the public out there. The ones I know, I see are operating from a wide range of motives, and there is much common ground. I suspect it is also true of the ones I do not know personally. We each have individual issues and histories that form our political opinions.
I hope that Biden, being in the middle, will be able to bring people together. I hope never to see a Republican in the Oval Office again.
Your post sounds like you attended Charles Eisenstein's latest podcast.
Hi @jeanne-mayell. Sorry, I don't know who Charles Eisenstein is, but I'd love to learn more ?
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I didn't even know that people thought that Trump hijacked the GOP, that the GOP was somehow "good" before Trump.
I have heard a few Rs on a couple of different political shows say that. I've often sensed it's the same ones who have canonized Reagan. They seem to use "party of Lincoln" and "party of Reagan" interchangeably. It sounds like Stevens has, for the first time, recognized that he's been duped for the past 40+ years.
And you're right about Democratic presidents supporting corporate interests as well. There are no saints here.
I agree with @laura-f: lessons will be learned, the hard way.
@Deetoo. Is this the same gentleman pandering his book in February? I recall a GOP guest on Trevor Noah's show who told him about the Republicans tactics and that is was so easy to get what they wanted (gerrymandering for one), but that all of those underhanded tactics led to the status of the party now.
That said, the US isn't exactly in the top 10 on the list of least corrupt governments. All the coorperations and self interest-groups have too much power. Which is heartbreaking seeing that the US has always claimed to fight against injustice. Government has become anything but since (as Jeanne pointed out) Reagan.
The US came so far in the 70s with ideas to improve life and the environment (income for all almost came through, but didn't make it out of fear that it would make women too independent and it would lead to divorce). I have great hope with the coming of people like AOC and the grassroots campaign that helped elect her, that legislation will once again be about helping the people and NOT lining pockets or trampling on the people.
I'm sending good vibrations everyday. Go USA, take your heart back!
@moonbeam, I have no idea if he's the same one. There have been so many books written by people of different political persuasions about this period of time. It makes my head spin!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Your thoughts bring back into focus why we are here. We need to be above pettiness and to not contribute to division with our thoughts, words and deeds.
I know your thoughts were in the macro sense, but they spoke to me in a micro sense. I really have a problem with name calling and wishing ill on others, no matter who they are.
How can we be divinely guided light workers if we let ourselves wallow in the pigpen?
It reminds me of this quote from Ghandi, “I will not let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet”.
When we rise above, we see the bigger picture.
@deetoo, that I can imagine:-)
It is not enough that he tweets and golfs while our people die.. now he has to spread his garbage to other countries :-( https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/05/donald-trump-beirut-explosion-remarks
Dear God please let us survive to VOTE HIM/THEM OUT!!!!!
it won't do any good, because pardons are for federal charges only, not state charges. So Trump can't be saved from the New York DA.
@allyn I think this is the main reason for the desperation in the R camps. They know this, and they know that any investigation for state crimes may lead to federal charges and a federal investigation will round them all up.
I'm not sure of the answer to this question, but I'm assuming that even Pence couldn't pardon Trump if no official charges are brought? I mean, how can he be pardoned for a crime he hasn't been charged with? We know (okay, not *know*, but yeah, we know) there are crimes he's committed but if he's not formally charged, there's no need or even case for a pardon, is there?