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I have felt that that is what they will try to do. Jared is dark.  Anything to keep themselves in power.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/jared-kushner-wont-rule-out-trump-delay-election-2020-coronavirus



   
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Posted by: @elaineg

I read that Jared is talking about delaying the election. Can they do that?

They can try. Like Jeanne, I've been feeling that the election will be f*ed with "six ways to Sunday".

I've started re-examining the option to get to Canada, because my husband has finally agreed that if the election doesn't happen or is FUBAR, he's finally willing to go. He just has to get a job up there, which shouldn't be impossible at his level in his career.

 



   
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@elaineg

They can't. They would have to literally declare themselves dictators, and the majority of the American people won't stand for it. It's just another scare & distract tactic to attempt to demoralize non-MAGAcultists. Only Congress can delay an election.



   
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Yes, Congress could potentially delay an election, but I found something very straightforward on cnn.com and it jibes with a lot of the visions people on here have seen involving Nancy Pelosi as temporary president, and also jibes with those of us who don't see Cheetolini dying or fleeing between now and January:

"Because of the separation of power built into our government, the President doesn't have the ability to simply nullify or ignore a federal law created by Congress. Only Congress can do that.

Which bring us to the current composition of Congress, where Democrats control the House and Republicans the Senate. Do you honestly believe that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-California) would go along with a Trump-led effort to postpone Election Day? Uh no.
 
But let's just say, for the sake of argument, that she did. And that the election was postponed until the first Tuesday in March 2021. Know what the Constitution says about presidential terms? Here's the 20th Amendment just in case you need a refresher:
 
"The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin."
 
What that means is that if the presidential election were postponed, Trump and Vice President Mike Pence would no longer have their jobs. And because of the line of succession, Pelosi, as likely Speaker of the House in 2021, would almost certainly be president for a few months. Or if not Pelosi then the Senate pro tempore, which is the longest serving member of the majority party. If Republicans held the majority that would be Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley. If Democrats retook the Senate, it would Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy. Of course, none of that is going to happen because Trump can't postpone the election."


   
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"The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin."
 
 

I hate to point this out, but this would also mean Nancy Pelosi's term would end on January 3rd, so the President Pro Tempore of the Senate would be acting President. Also, there would be no functioning House of Representatives and only 2/3 of the Senate (which now that I think of it, the Democrats would have a majority in the reduced Senate since 23 R seats are up for election while only 12 D seats are)

Thus I doubt any delay of an election past December would even be considered.



   
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The dreams and visions we had of migrant children are starting to hit the news... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/13/us-expelling-central-american-child-migrants-coronavirus-pandemic

 



   
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Oh, my.  I was thinking about this just yesterday and feeling grateful that it hadn't come true.  This was one of those visions/predictions that I so wanted Not to come true.  And here we are.  Thank you for posting this link.  It breaks my heart-a lot, but now I will be praying for them and praying for protection for these children.  There were several of us, three or four or more who had seen this coming.  More crimes against humanity have been committed here and I keep wondering what cases will make it to The Hague.



   
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@laura-f

But, but, but I was going to come visit you in San Diego when this is all over.  I saw it happening!  

Okay, if you're going to look at Canada, come up to British Columbia.  It's basically the Pacific Northwest, only with better government and national healthcare.



   
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I know! I did not want that bus ride to be true ? ? ? ? 



   
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@elaineg

no he can't, but its a bit complicated on what all of the choices are. This a VOX article that lays it all out.

Can Trump cancel the November election?

No.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/21/21188152/trump-cancel-november-election-constitution-coronavirus



   
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Federal Judge mulls contempt charge against Michael Flynn.

 

https://apple.news/A9N3nMm9wSLyhjTCTDtIJgQ



   
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Heartbreak to read this article!



   
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Posted by: @frank
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"The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin."
 
 

I hate to point this out, but this would also mean Nancy Pelosi's term would end on January 3rd, so the President Pro Tempore of the Senate would be acting President. Also, there would be no functioning House of Representatives and only 2/3 of the Senate (which now that I think of it, the Democrats would have a majority in the reduced Senate since 23 R seats are up for election while only 12 D seats are)

Thus I doubt any delay of an election past December would even be considered.

I didn't write the article, but yes, it would end up being Sen. Grassley, as the longest serving majority Senator.

 



   
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@lovendures

I started crying seeing those hands against those bus windows... just like in my dream :-(



   
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Posted by: @bluebelle

@laura-f

But, but, but I was going to come visit you in San Diego when this is all over.  I saw it happening!  

Okay, if you're going to look at Canada, come up to British Columbia.  It's basically the Pacific Northwest, only with better government and national healthcare.

It's a definite possibility - and it will take us a year or two to execute a plan anyway, once the border reopens.

I remember standing somewhere on Vancouver Island and being able to see - I think it was Port Angeles? in the distance. It brings to mind the possibilities of a water based escape...

In any case, as we know from survivors of the past, the way to escape an authoritarian regime is to keep going along with the rules while you make your plan that you don't share with anyone outside immediate family. And then one day *poof* you're gone.  I have known a few holocaust survivors who escaped Germany this way.

So that's the last I'll mention of boats... ? 

When things clear up, you're welcome to visit. If poop hits ventilation I'm 20 minutes from the Mexico border and I'm fluent in Spanish with friends who have family on the other side. 

AND hubby and I have decided that, probably a year from now, our first vacay will be a road trip up the coast from here to Victoria BC, I understand you might live along the way? Are you in BC or on the US side? Because if you are in BC, good luck getting us out of your basement!!! LOL!

 

 



   
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Posted by: @laura-f
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"The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin."
 
 

I hate to point this out, but this would also mean Nancy Pelosi's term would end on January 3rd, so the President Pro Tempore of the Senate would be acting President. Also, there would be no functioning House of Representatives and only 2/3 of the Senate (which now that I think of it, the Democrats would have a majority in the reduced Senate since 23 R seats are up for election while only 12 D seats are)

Thus I doubt any delay of an election past December would even be considered.

I didn't write the article, but yes, it would end up being Sen. Grassley, as the longest serving majority Senator.

 

Perhaps someone can answer my question.  Why wouldn't the states be able to hold their Nov,  elections for Congress no matter what?  A Congressional election is not a presidential election.  States control that process don't they?  They hold special elections for openings all the time. Gov's. can also appoint members to congress if there is a vacancy and so on.  If for some reason the election for President was canceled, that shouldn't matter for Congress.  IF for some reason it did, then an appointment should happen and I am sure Pelosi would be appointed by the Governor. for CA  Unless I am really missing something here.

 



   
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@lovendures

That may be the loophole that lets Pelosi stay in office. In CA the governor has already ordered that ALL registered voters receive mail ballots, no request needed. It is then up to each voter whether to return mail it, drop it off at a polling location/registrar, or vote in person.



   
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I googled and only senate vacancies can be filled by a governor. Reps need a special election: 

When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies." -- Article I, Section 2, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution

 In addition, Section 4 says that the states can decide how and when to choose Representatives but Congress can overule them (which it has by setting Congressional election day, by law, the same as Presidential).  

So, in other words, Congess is the only one that can legally change the federal election day.

 



   
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Do you know that feeling of vertigo when the elevator starts plummeting ...?

That's the impression that I get when I (rarely, bcos it makes me sick) look upon the faces of the Creep-in-Chief, his draconian familia, and his creepy, very ugly administration... ill-disguised panic mode.

They. Are. Goin'. Down.

And they know it. ?



   
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Forgive me for my ignorance, but is there a reason why the system of voting in the US has not been updated to ballots and ID?

 

In The Netherlands we all get a personal voting 'card' a few weeks in advance. Every single person above 18. You then take that with you on voting day together with your ID. If you cannot make it, somebody else may take your card (which you sign) and vote for you. All of this is cross referenced with lists at the voting booth. We never have any cases of fraud.

 

Why do Americans have to register beforehand? That is where all the trouble starts, isn't it? 



   
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