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@honeybee

can you imagine the tantrums he is having today??



   
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Lawrence,

I see what you did there. ? 

I've felt strongly for a while now that SDNY will be his ultimate undoing. I continue to believe that T and his whole family are indicted on multiple counts. Vance, I don't trust, but Leticia James is not to be messed with and she hates T.



   
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I, too, am awaiting Allyn's assessment of the court's decisions today.

Frankly, I don't understand why the NY case is "blocked" after the ruling.

The Supreme court basically punted on the Congressional case. I don't know or understand the long term reasons why they did so. I do know that on the short term, Trump will continue to delay delay delay, like he always does.

I'm impatient. I've "dealt with it" for 3+ years. I'm tired of "dealing with it".



   
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(@lawrence)
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@polarberry

 Yes, AG Leticia James is not going to let him escape.

Love that both of T's Supreme Court appointees voted against him today. This will drive him crazy.

Well...more crazy. Lol.

 

 



   
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[disclaimer: I am also a lawyer, so here is my take on the SCOTUS rulings re taxes today]

The ruling re NYS (Vance) is a definite win for the rule of law. The court held that the president is not immune to state criminal prosecutions while he is in office. This should have been obvious (given the court's previous rulings on Nixon and Clinton), but it's still good to have it said. The reason it goes back to the NY court is because, now that Trump cannot hide behind immunity, the case may proceed. The reason it will take forever is because civil litigation takes forever. Trump still has the right (as Roberts "helpfully" pointed out,) to try to block the subpoena on the same grounds as any civilian might - that it is irrelevant or overbroad etc., and the NY court will have to decide those issues. If the subpoena is granted and complied with, then the case goes to the grand jury (where it will still be secret). So, in sum, it's a win for the rule of law, a loss for trump, and, as with everything these days, it will just take some time for us to see the outcome, but it will come.

The Congress case is a little less fun. The Supreme Court held that, although Congress has the right to subpoena a president's information, the court below in this case did not take adequate account of the "significant separation of powers concerns" implicated by subpoenas from the House of Representatives seeking the president's financial records. This is definitely a punt, but not totally illogical. SCOTUS just wants the lower court to redo the analysis of whether Congress needs these documents in consideration of the separation of powers (there is a slight tone of condescension towards both congress and the president for not being able to negotiate this and figure it out without drawing in the court). In this case, the lower court could redo the analysis and decide that, even with a new analysis, Congress should get the docs; or it could go the other way. Either way could lead to more appeals.

The NYS case is a win, and the congress case is more of a draw. Niether case resolves in Trump's favor though, so in that sense both are wins - he has to keep fighting them. FWIW, it was highly unlikely that either of these cases would have resolved the issues so that we could see the documents immediately (maybe the congress one would have). The truth will come out, it's just a matter of time.



   
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Lawrence and everyone,

Heh. Deutsche Bank just announced they will turn Twitler's records over. They know all that is verhohlen.



   
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@polarberry

NYC is not playing around. T will never recover. 

Also because he is losing in the polls, people are not afraid of him. Including some in his party. Fleeing the sinking ship.



   
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Thank you MMA



   
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@jessi1978

 

First time in his life Rump will be accountable.



   
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@meliaamal thank you MMA;)

 

 

share the love and light 



   
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