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Posted by: @numerologist

The person I 'got into it with' on FB said the media 'deliberately made false claims about what Turd said about the bleach, etc'. Then she turned my words around and said I said she was horrible, brain deal bla bla bla. It's unbelievable. And you are so correct - don't argue with these people - you can't 'win' and argument with them as they are too entrenched in their dogmatic beliefs, which includes the liberals are responsible for splitting apart the country because of their hatred of Turd. sigh 

Well that sounds so familiar. My husband's cousins said the same thing when confronted with the ridiculous Turd remarks about inhaling bleach etc. They learn their talking points from one another and on FOX, etc! Best to not bother to engage them!



   
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People, as hard as it is , DO NOT ENGAGE!  These people don’t care that the great turd is the worst person on the planet, he is their messiah and you will never convince them of anything else .  Did you see the clip of number two in their hearts at the Mayo Clinic engaging without a mask?  He refused one.  Once again turd is touting his plastic princess as the second coming of Mother a Teresa.  All she has ever wanted to do is help out the little people, she has created millions of jobs.  If they are dumb enough to buy that there is no hope for them.  Just remember we out number them.  These crowds of people protesting their right to die with this awful virus aren’t as large as it looks in the pics.

as for the Biden sex scandal they are going to go after Joe with everything they have because that’s all they can do.  There is much worse stuff about turd and I truly believe it will come out .

 



   
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I am going to re-post an article from Ireland next, but before I do and before you all read it, I want to way that after having sent it to my most conservative BFF, I was appalled at her reply. She got very defensive and said "With all due respect Ireland is not great, they have a lot of problems." BTW she's half Irish-American. I have been trying like hell to maintain hope for this 25+ year friendship, but more and more I feel like I can't hold on and may have to let go completely...

So read my next post and then you all weigh in. ❤️ 



   
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From the Irish Times
April 25, 2020
By Fintan O’Toole

THE WORLD HAS LOVED, HATED AND ENVIED THE U.S. NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE PITY IT

Fintan O’Toole: Donald Trump has destroyed the country he promised to make great again

The grotesque spectacle of the president openly inciting people (some of them armed) to take to the streets to oppose the restrictions that save lives is the manifestation of a political death wish. What are supposed to be daily briefings on the crisis, demonstrative of national unity in the face of a shared challenge, have been used by Trump merely to sow confusion and division. They provide a recurring horror show in which all the neuroses that haunt the American subconscious dance naked on live TV.

Will American prestige ever recover from this shameful episode? The US went into the coronavirus crisis with immense advantages: precious weeks of warning about what was coming, the world’s best concentration of medical and scientific expertise, effectively limitless financial resources, a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world’s leading technology corporations. Yet it managed to make itself the global epicentre of the pandemic.

Usually when this kind of outlandish idiocy is displaying itself, there is the comforting thought that, if things were really serious, it would all stop. People would sober up. Instead, a large part of the US has hit the bottle even harder. And the president, his party and their media allies keep supplying the drinks.

And this will get worse before it gets better. Trump has at least eight more months in power. In his inaugural address in 2017, he evoked “American carnage” and promised to make it stop. But now that the real carnage has arrived, he is revelling in it. He is in his element.

Read on but only if you want to subscribe: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-donald-trump-has-destroyed-the-country-he-promised-to-make-great-again-1.4235928?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Ffintan-o-toole-donald-trump-has-destroyed-the-country-he-promised-to-make-great-again-1.4235928



   
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@Laura F holy. Moly!  That article should be posted in every reputable newspaper, social media site and read aloud on every street corner!  Reminds me of the old 60’s saying.  “Tell it like it is “.



   
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@yogagirl, It’s hard to bring light to those who choose to live in a basement.

 

You’re right about not engaging.  It doesn’t help anyone, so why go there?



   
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@laura-f, that seems right to me.  I pity us too right now.  The president is our horrible warning, of the good example he isn’t.



   
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Link to Daily Kos article today:  Pupils the Size of Pie Tins

Not so much for the article itself - scroll down to the close up video and pics. We've discussed this on here before, but to reiterate - Drumpus is a long time stimulant addict (cocaine, adderall, whatever else). those are some huge pupils for a human in a very brightly lit room.

I recognize that any video or pic can be faked, but as @Lawrence and I can attest, this isn't exactly hot off the press - this is longstanding behavior, so unlikely that these are fake.



   
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I had a dream last night that unfortunately I cannot remember well, but the one flash of it that stayed with me is that something happens this month to T. In the dream I am talking to my husband, and saying that I had been concerned that the predictions from @Lawrence, @Vestralux, @Baba and others that May will be "dark" for T might not happen and this nightmare might continue indefinitely, but something happened (still in May) that was VERY clear to me that this is IT. Brrrriiiiiiinnnngg!!!! Time's up, T. 

I'm thinking of @Coyote's prediction that T babbles senselessly WAY off the rails in such a way that his handlers and Fox can't convince the herd that it was intentional/acceptable. But I don't know what happened in the dream--the only thing that stayed with me was a sense of reassurance and clarity that the hold this nightmare has had over us was broken in a pivotal way. Even if he wasn't out of office, it just felt over, like the power had been drained out and there was hope for moving in a new direction.

Gosh, I hope this dream comes true--and this month at that! 

 



   
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@herondreams Interesting that you had this dream now and I’m glad that it was one of reassurance that  T’s power is soon to be gone.
I was meditating yesterday and had such a disturbing vision that I haven’t been able to bring myself to post it and I avoided trying to even look for anything while meditating today. It was a continuation of the theme that I had been seeing with Melania in her black dress dancing around but it came into sharper focus and it wasn’t pretty. Whatever happens, May is not going to be a great month for T. 

As this article points out, if T’s only hope for re-election is either trying to save the economy and gaining the votes of those who are for that or saving his senior citizen voters and not the economy, he will lose either way. Poling is definitely showing that at the moment: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/04/trump-needs-two-electoral-blocs-win-pandemic-is-driving-wedge-between-them/?utm_campaign=wp_opinions&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter



   
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Several psychics I follow on Ytube have for the past few years seen a similar vision in this timeframe before the election: T in a glass coffin. They don't see him dead, because he seems to still be alive in their visions, but he's in a glass coffin or a glass box. They also keep seeing things coming out in the next couple months (May-June) that will put him in such a bad light (money related) that he will lose the election by a mile. I feel the glass box means he will be ignored and contained.

My own thoughts were for a long time that I saw him leaving between April-Sept. If he doesn't leave though, I'm wondering if he is so badly damaged by his crimes that are revealed that it's like he's being ignored by most people and in a sense neutered. I also think that if he knows he's going to lose the election and he has many crimes hanging over his head perhaps he will escape somewhere?  I've always felt his money related crimes would take him down. I think he's working with Jared Kushner and even directing money from the stimulus to those who shouldn't have it as we speak.

I've never liked Melania, I think she's dark too, but I feel like she actually can't stand her husband at all. I think if she were able to live her life without him here in the US she would in a second. If he were sent away and she had enough money to live with her son and parents she would be pleased.

 



   
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I do a numerology blog, and I've predicted Turd will leave office sometime around June. (before, during or after) I hesitated to make this type of prediction because I know I could be wrong - timing is soooo hard to predict, but in June he goes into a 3 essence, which normally is a good phase for people. But Turd spent the last 5 years in a 19/1 essence - which is BIG TESTS about right and wrong, and BIG lessons to be learned. I think we can all agree he failed these lessons in an epic manner. Now, according to the numbers, June will bring a 3 essence for 2 years. Three represents WORDS, so I predict he will continue to babble incoherently, even worse than what we now see, as well as his spoken words from the past will come back to haunt him (especially with his COVID19 failures). Turd has been scattering his mental forces these last 5 years, but in June we will see even more emotional confusion, chaos and regret. This will bring to him LOSS OF POSITION AND STANDING in the world. (not sure how he can sink lower - but somehow he will!) IF he makes it to November, he will lose in a landslide, and we ALL know his ego cannot take THAT type of loss, which is why I believe walking-away will will be his only viable way-out.



   
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@baba

I am not gifted like many people on this site (such is my curse).  Yes, I have occasional flashes of intuition and sometimes have dreams that come to pass, but the episodes are sporadic and thus can't be considered to be on the same level that many people have here, yourself included.

Having said that, I had the advantage (or disadvantage, depending on your point of view) to grow up in a family that is heavily involved in politics.  On one side, my grandfather was the mayor and a city commissioner for fifty two years in a small town as a Democrat in a county that is 95% Republican.  On the other side, I have an uncle that was a county commissioner and police officer for thirty years.  His county is more evenly divided (right now, it is 40% Democrat and 60% Republican).  In his county, political affiliations run along family lines, so it is more Hatfield and McCoy territory than anything else.  Further, you have a lot of family feuds up there, which accounts for a high murder/assault rate when compared to the rest of the surrounding area.

But my point is this.  Because of my upbringing, I am able to look at the political/legal side of what is going on and see things from that perspective.  Right now, Trump thinks he is being attacked, so he is doing what he has always done-used calamity to his advantage.  When the coronavirus broke out, he deliberately withheld resources and money from the hardest hit states because they were blue states.  He has also deliberately tried to stir up trouble by asking his followers to "resist the tyranny" and protest against "stay at home" orders.  His hope is for the blue states to fall into chaos, suffer thousands of deaths and jobs, and then hopefully turn red in November.  He knew that the virus would reach the red states later on, so he has been holding the resources to use for them when the time comes so he can look like the hero.

But he has made many, many fatal miscalculations.

First, he underestimated the strength and determination of Cuomo, the unofficial spokesman for the blue states, as well as Governor Newsom from California and others.  Cuomo has been extraordinary in articulating the issues that the states have suffered from.  While combative, he is also respectful, and thus comes across as mush more believable than Trump (not that this is hard.) 

Trump and Republicans will pay dearly for how they treated the blue states.  First, by not giving aid when it was needed, they have crippled the financial stability of these states.  However, what Trump fails to realize is that the blue states (New York, California, New Jersey, etc.) account for roughly 57% of the economy in the US.  If they go, we all suffer.  By failing to provide resources and tests so that the states could open safely, the blue states will take much longer to bounce back. 

Nevertheless, New York and California will bounce back because they have so many economical opportunities that will become available once the pandemic subsides.  However, the same can't be true for red states, which are mostly rural and thus lacking in economic opportunities even in the best of times.  As such, the blue states will ultimately come out of this stronger because they have the leadership and the resources necessary to do so.

But another problem that Trump has forgotten to take into account is the general makeup of the red states (mostly the Southern states).  It is true that the majority of the red states are rural, so the spread will be slower.  But this will actually be to Trump's disadvantage.  Come June, when states like New York are recovering and living in the new normal, the pandemic will hit Southern states in waves, causing a cascading effect where part of the state is shut down, only for surrounding communities to get the virus a week later, and so one.  In other words, the high death toll numbers that hit the southern states will happen much closer to election time, and will likely be strung out over several months, leaving the voters less time to forget.

Also, the red states (again, I am looking to the southern states), have high concentrations of black and Hispanic voters.  These voters are being hard hit by the pandemic and the economic fallout.  The black population, in particular, are a force when they chose to be.  In Alabama, they voted in Doug Jones and kept a Republican pedophile from getting into the Senate.  In South Carolina, they assisted Biden to becoming the Democratic nominee.  Because of Trump's negligence, these groups will have many voters who have lost loved ones to the virus, lost their jobs, or both.  They will be very, very angry, and will likely ignore Trump's lies.  And because they won't be working, you can guarantee they will make time to vote, despite efforts from the Republicans to keep them from doing so.

Further, the red states tends to have an unusually higher than average population of people with underlying health conditions.  In the Tennessee Valley (the area between the Cumberland Plateau and the Appalachian Mountains), the air is full of pollen (due to the plant life) and pollution (which can't get past the mountains and thus settles into our atmosphere).  We thus have a high concentration of respiratory illnesses (COPD, asthma, lung cancer, etc.)  We also have a high level of cancers (some is genetic, and some is from exposure to asbestos and/or chemicals used in agriculture).  And we also have a higher than average number of people with Type II Diabetes.  Again, this is partly genetic (many cases have it to where it runs in the family), and part of it is culture/environment.  In my area, it is customary to eat large meals, because many people lived on farms and thus ate large meals that gave them enough energy to work the fields.  However, as the work slowly decreased (people farmed less), the meal amounts didn't change.  Further, there seems to be a link between the chemicals in agriculture and the increase in diabetes (both type I and type II), as there are some people who don't have a family history or any of the typical conditions that pre-expose someone to developing diabetes.  Studies are still being done to determine if there is a connection in those cases.

But again, I digress.  Because of the high concentration of younger people here with pre-existing conditions (diabetes, asthma, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc.), the death toll may be higher than expected.  People who are younger (twenty through fifty) will be at increased risk to get the virus and die.  And because many people in the south watch Fox News religiously, they are under the sad delusion that the virus is only fatal to the elderly or the infirmed.  When the virus reaches it's peak and kills thousands of younger, vunerable people, many will be shocked.  Also, we have far less medical resources here, and thus will see our hospitals hit capacity much sooner than expected.

Once again, Trump is trying to use the coronavirus to his advantage.  Although he is a sleazy SOB with few redeeming factors, I will admit that he has an advantage of turning chaos to his advantage.  That is why so many of his businesses have gone bankrupt, yet he walks away with millions while his partners are left to pick up the pieces.  But because of his miscalculations (failing to take charge, failure to provide tests to all the states before opening the economy, etc.), it will be pro-Trump states that will feel the virus's results much closer to November, while giving blue states a chance to recover somewhat and thus be in a better position overall.

Trump is hopeful Americans have a short memory, and by forcing the economy to open before the safeguards were in place, he might have just unleashed the virus on the very voters he needs to be on his side come election day.  Although Fox News will ensure that there is not that much coverage of the deaths (because they can't make Trump look bad, after all), people will still feel the effects.  Further, by feuding with the blue states, Trump has crippled the national economy in the areas that hold the most economic power.  You can guarantee that the blue states will use this to their advantage when the time is right.

So, from a pure strategic standpoint, I foresee unintended consequences for Trump once the peak of the virus hits the red states (probably with the same intensity that it did in New York, only at a much slower time frame).  We will see if this makes a difference and if my analysis of the situation fits in with your predictions.

Now, I have a question for  @Lawrence, @Vestralux, @Baba, and the rest of you who predicted a dark month for Trump in May.  What exactly did you guys see (or feel), and what do you think it means?  Are you seeing Trump's death?  Him being carted away to the nut house?  Trump quitting?  Some sort of scandal that hurts him badly?  The death of one of his family members?  I am curious, because Trump seems to be tempting fate on many levels.  He continues to alienate powerful people who might be waiting in the wings with something damaging to release to the media (although I doubt it would do any good in any event.  Trump could shoot a pregnant mother in the stomach, killing both her and the child, and Trump supporters will still follow him.  Even if the ground opened up and swallowed Trump and his supporters at a mass rally would do anything to change their minds.)

I am like @herondreams and feel that, despite everything, Trump will still find a way to win and thus continue his goal of destroying this country.  I fear what the next four years will bring.  More pandemics occurring with millions of death while Trump engages in his campaign to destroy Obamacare and sending millions more to die without health care.  More economic upheaval while Trump and his billionaire donors send money into offshore accounts and leave this country bankrupt.  More instances of Trump supporters engaging in petty violence and cruelty as they target immigrants, women, children, etc. in more mass rallies with guns and bombs sent to news networks. 

I am truly afraid.  Despite my attempts of bravery and my knowledge that you guys know what you are talking about (as so many of your predictions have come true over the years), I can't ignore the fact that Trump has survived so many things that would have brought down other leaders.  I fear that nothing short of death will stop him at this point, as he seems determined to destroy this country in whatever way he can.  Not only our country, but our values as well.  

So if you have a prediction/premonition/vision for Trump in May, please post it here.  Because I look at May and don't feel or see anything of significance other than the fact that Trump's tax records case will be heard by the Supreme Court on May 12 (with decisions by the end of June.)  Somehow, I don't see this event as being a particularly "dark" moment for Trump, as a decision won't be reached until the end of June and even then he will probably find a way to hide his taxes or delay them being released. 

 



   
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I am like @herondreams and feel that, despite everything, Trump will still find a way to win and thus continue his goal of destroying this country.  I fear what the next four years will bring.

Just want to be clear that I don't share this sentiment; my feeling is that things are going to turn around, although I don't have a clear enough vision on the specifics. The timer is running down on T & Co's power over this country. I see a balloon deflating. While I'd love it to be this month, I am more sure in feeling that we're not going to have another 4 years of the same garbage running the show. The next four years may not be ideal--we have a lot of work to do to clean up the mess, but they won't be as bad as the last 4. 

Specifically @Lawrence saw T (or the white house) "going dark" in May. I believe @Vestralux had a change in her predictions, especially with regard to timing, maybe she will pipe in to share her latest, and @Baba already reiterated the funerary images she has expressed in other posts. 



   
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@herondreams

My apologies.  I should have been more specific.  I meant that you and I were alike in the sense that we can't tell what exactly the month of May will bring.  That we both look to the month of May as pivotal but we don't see the reason why.  The fears I have about Trump are my own.  Again, I apologize to you and to the rest of the forum for not being clear about that.  Sometimes my mind rants to the point that I don't clarify as much as I should.

I really, really, really want Trump gone.  I want to be able to deal with Republicans in my area again without having to hear the lies from Fox News.  I want to be able to see governments actually working for all people and not just to elevate a select few whose sole mission is the destruction of everything else that is different.  I want to see a president when he needs to be seen, and not inserting himself into every news story just to make headlines.  I want a president who deals with a hostile question with grace and dignity, not name calling and retaliation.  I want the militia gun fanatics and white supremists to go back into hiding and let the rest of us live out lives.  I want a Congress that works out deals to where everyone gets some of what they want, and improvements are made to the country.  I want Democrats and Republicans to stand together and sing "God Bless America" as they work towards things they agree on and compromise on things they don't.  I want the news to be filled with actual news (people working to help their neighbors in a disaster, human interest stories, Hollywood scandals, or even a who-done-it commentary in a murder trial).  I don't want a president who tells California to go rake the forest to prevent forest fires or calls white supremists who runs over counter-protesters as "good people."

I don't see how this can occur though.  It is like climate change.  The coastlines disappear, the hurricanes hit with greater force, and still we have idiots in power who relax pollution laws and call global warming a hoax.  I feel we are marching to our doom with flags waving and drums pounding, despite the fact that we are marching through a land mine field to do so and there are numerous opportunities to turn back. 

I guess I am just feeling doubt based on everything and am looking for assurances that this is one battle that we can win.  Thank you!

 



   
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@baba

Last week I felt a very dark, Plutonian energy surrounding Trump, similar to what Baba has noted–it came over me as I was walking on a beautiful spring evening and had almost the quality of being surrounded by a dark cloud. I couldn't shake it.

I don't want to give this energy any additional space and it hasn't returned, thank goodness. (The Full Moon tomorrow is a powerful one for healing and communication, so I want to keep my thoughts clear and true.)

Perhaps what I sensed is one timeline out of many that are possible, since we live in a fluid multiverse that shifts and changes according to our thoughts and actions and the thoughts and actions of every being on this planet.

At any rate, if you take comfort in astrology, it is clear that this is a deeply trying year for Trump. And the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction in Aquarius on December 21 signals a step into a new age. I agree with those here who say that Trump is on the way out energetically, and not just him but the toxic cronies who feed off him and enrich themselves through his behaviors.



   
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I've seen a similar vision. 



   
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@unk-p

One class clown to another:

LMAO!!! thank you!



   
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On December 28, 2018 I did a timeline reading using inner visioning on Trump. I saw super stress in March, then for May and the following months, I didn't see him at all. Nothing. That vision came to me fourteen months ago and things change.  But it fits the darkness people are getting for him coming up in May through August. 



   
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@Baba

and anyone else who hesitates to present their darker visions regarding Twitler, Melanomia, et al. --

I respectfully request that you do post these darker visions. I think it would be good to start a thread called "Viewer Discretion Advised" - so that those who are more reticent don't have to read them. Don't tag anyone either, again this will prevent anyone who doesn't want to read something dark from clicking on it.

I've said this before, but I'm more of a "Rip the Band Aid" off kind of gal. I'm not afraid of dark predictions, rather I take some comfort in them because it encourages me when someone has such a strong gift. Forewarned is also Forearmed.

As long as your underlying intention is good, no harm will come to any of us who do read them. And I do believe that everyone on here has very good intentions. So ground yourself, take a deep breath, and tell us what you see!

Much love and thank you! ❤️ ? ❤️ ? 



   
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