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(@laura-f)
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@allyn 

I just don't think he's smart enough to have known that ahead of time. Ivana was always about the money, and given that she is the mother of the 3 primary kids (sorry, Tiffany!), I find it more likely he would just throw more money her way if she threatened him, rather than have her killed.

Cardiac arrest is very hard to reproduce in a murder scenario. As far as I know*, there are only 1 or 2 things that have to be injected either intravenously or into the heart itself to cause it to stop without leaving a trace. If it was a murder, I think we would have seen a drug overdose, or even an actual fall down the stairs with head trauma as the cause of death. NYC coroners do not have the reputation of being inept or corrupt. 

I love a good conspiracy murder as much as anyone else, but I neither see nor feel that is the case here.

*From my extensive work watching lots of murder/detective non-fiction AND portraying both a murder victim and a murderer on one of those shows myself.

ETA: Epstein was murdered, clearly, but the coroner can only report that he died by strangulation, whether it was by someone else's hand or his own would have had to be addressed by the police, who are corrupt pretty much everywhere nowadays.



   
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@laura-f

Ivana didn’t die of a heart attack. The ME just announced that she died of blunt force trauma to the body from the fall. It was declared an accident. 



   
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(@laura-f)
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@lenor 

Aha. Well that's a different story then.

I still don't feel it was intentional, but that finding certainly does open the door to other speculation.



   
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Posted by: @laura-f

@allyn 

I just don't think he's smart enough to have known that ahead of time.

Likely not, but he's got some smart and ruthless minions who could have done it on their own initiative.  And now it looks like it was from a fall down the stairs, if the "blunt force trauma" turns out to be consistent with that.  



   
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(@laura-f)
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@ana 

To clarify: what I was referring to is he couldn't have known for sure the AG of NY would continue the depositions to a later date, as they are not required to do so.  I was not referring to Ivana's death.



   
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Ivana had hip problems but refused to go see a Dr. She also supposedly pled with DJT to stop the “bullshit” once violence broke out on Jan 6th. That all comes from the NYPost Murdoch rag.

 

I keep thinking about how she once said Trump raped her but then took back the story. It was during the divorce and I’m sure he threatened she would get nothing. I don’t know how those three kids ever reconciled that in their brains. 



   
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@ana 

I believe the medical examiner has determined that she fell down the stairs and died of physical trauma. May have been a pure accident although supposedly she was observed to have had trouble walking which makes me wonder if she didn't need hip replacements? Could also have been precipitated by a sudden cardiac arrest which led her to falling down her staircase? Just a few observations:

(1) I wonder why a frail older woman with 3 adult children and 10 grandchildren was living alone? Where the hell were they? Why did she not have round the clock care?

(2) It's possible she was ashamed at how her ex-hubby had mistreated this country and the great honor he had been given by being ex-POTUS? The January 6th Insurgency marks T and his minions as obvious traitors to this country and their criminality was shocking. It was generally observed that Ivana was brighter than T and she may have grasped this and felt ashamed;

(3) Didn't someone on this website  predict that T would fall down stairs and suffer trauma? Too bad it was Ivana and not T;

(4) Ivana was not my favorite person and Mary Trump's book painted her in an unflattering way. Still, this death is tragic. All that money, conspicuous  consumption, gold leafing,  social climbing and a sizable family...and the woman died alone in her home.  Breaks my heart a bit actually...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



   
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@ana 

I believe she was alone and her home was double locked from the inside so a building staff member had to force the door open. No, based upon what I am reading I see no conspiracy here: just a tragic accident of an increasingly frail woman who was unaccountably left alone too long and clearly needed help. 73 years old is not that old these days...but newspaper accounts said people who knew her stated that Ivana had visibly aged this past year, whether due to the pandemic and/or T's criminality. Her family should feel ashamed to have left her alone when she was clearly so frail.  Yes she appears to have been a narcissist, mired in nouveau riche, superficial values and probably not a nice person and quite dismissive of "the little people" a la Leona Helmsley...still, she was a committed mother to her children and a committed wife to T.  This is a tragic end for anyone to suffer. I wonder if T even really cares?



   
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@dannyboy 

It's like a bowl of candidate Froot Loops that gets shoved under the couch and forgotten about for a week. Bloated and revolting.

Seriously, where does the KGOP find these people? I guess the crazies know they have a safe haven in the lunatic asylum the republican party has become. 

Golden genitals, my my. How special.



   
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@unk-p 

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Politically incorrect Barbie.



   
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