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@jeanne-mayell

Look at Hong Kong they had a massive voter turnout. That’s what we need here. I think  Nov 2020 elections is going to be one to remember. People fighting to save democracy and the right wing bat sh..t crazies trying to keep T and company 

Sunday’s District Council elections produced landslide victories for pro-democracy candidates, j

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/26/hong-kong-citizens-just-voted-more-democracy-what-happens-now/%3foutputType=amp



   
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@jeanne-mayell

In reading your visions from 2014 and 2017, my vision from our October 9th small group session comes to mind:  

  • Red balloons, representing the extreme right wing party, lifting up into the air and floating away. They are blowing away.  I see elephants, a GOP symbol, rampaging across the land in a fury, dust arising from all their actions. (Bluebelle)

What I should have clarified is that the rampaging elephants were stampeding away, not running towards me.  They were kicking up clouds of dust, their big ears were flapping, their trunks trumpeting.  They were going away, just like the balloons.

What we are seeing in the Republicans’ actions right now is a lot of drama, hot air, and fury.  Underlying all their blustering is fear.

 



   
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So your vision fits my elephant and the candidate sitting on him but turned backwards. I had thought it meant that the candidate wins and his vision is to turn the country backwards in time to an earlier era. DT has said his MAGA means reverting back to the 1950's, a time of white male supremacy, misogyny  and racism. 



   
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I remember reading some of the early predictions (during 2017) and one that stood out to me was a prediction that the 2018 elections would be rigged, and that people would be really disillusioned. That predictions freaked me out at the time. Now, some elections clearly were rigged (GA, FL), but the blue wave was intense. So, I think that despite the GOP appearing dominant now, strong public opinion and a galvanized electorate can make a difference. The future is fluid, for the bad and the good.



   
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Happy New Moon!

Today:
Kyle Griffin/MSNBC: 
 


   
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@lawrence

There were two recent polls that showed Trump gained over dems, one was Marquette polling for Wisconsin (showing Trump would win over any dem candidate there) and the other was a general election poll by Emerson showing the only candidate to be even one + from Trump was Bernie.

Trump didn't have the advantage in Wisconsin a month prior (before impeachment briefings on air).

When I read these I just felt they were not accurate, and even fraudulent. I'm not sure but that's my intuition speaking. I'd like to know if you or anyone else here has an opinion about that too.

here's the link to the polls:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/



   
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@jessi1978

One of the main drivers of the pro-democracy politicians’ success in Hong Kong on Sunday was unexpectedly high turnout among younger voters. I’ve often thought of how the 2020 election will be the first presidential election in which Gen Z will be able to come out in droves. That, combined with newly energized millennials, could have big implications for how the races pivot.

 



   
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Maybe this deserves its own thread, but I am very concerned about the shenanigans twitler is pulling with the Navy. It is clear he is taking steps to build a militia that is loyal to him.



   
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T always fails at everything he does. And there goes his Presidency. 

Had a vision two days ago. T had a rope around his neck and the other end was held up in the air by him. He will and has always has hung himself. Totally self-destructive.



   
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A poly sci professor I know told me not to put too much stock in polls.  1st of all look at who is taking them, 2nd who are they polling and lastly because of 1 and2 polls can be manipulated.  I take heart in the people I know who are long time Republicans who wish they had never heard of Drump!  A lot of military vets I know are really mad about how he tries to manipulate his image asa great military leader.  They think he is a traitor and a joke.  Moscow Mitch is polling at 18% in Ky.  I doubt if that’s accurate but I don’t think it is too far off.  He’s shown his true colors and they don’t sit well with a lot of folks here.  One interesting fact re: the governor’s election here, counties in Eastern (ie coal country) and Northern Ky voted Blue for the first time in decades.  I believe the tide is turning but it is going to depend on the Dems candidate and how united a front we present.  Jordon, Nunes and miss Lyndsey aren’t doing themselves any favors with there behavior.  Collins, Paul and Mittens can’t decide which side of their mouths to speak out of.  They make the Dems like Pelosi and Shiff (sp?) look rock steady and even more sane.  As far as which of Drumps ex cabinet members will testify, I think that depends on who Drump pissed off the most.  Sad but true.  I’m not psychic but I believe we will start to hear more from a group I heard about a few months ago.  They are a group of conservative high profiles who have formed an anti Drump association calling for the “the right and truth of law”.  They are lawyers and ex political figures who believe 5his administration has repeatedly broken the law.  
no matter what we are in for a long tough year.  



   
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@lawrence

With regards to your statement that "T always fails at everything he does", I have to disagree -- he got the presidency, he has the Republicans wrapped around his little finger, and he has his base hypnotized. He has the backing, possibly the resources, and probably also the counsel of strategic master chessplayer Putin. What's next -- a violent trumpist militia staging a coup? I can't help thinking of The Handmaid's Tale. Are we frogs being slowly boiled?



   
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@yofisofi

I take the long view. Live in NYC and have seen that everything he touches dies. I am not fearful because I've watched this clown for years. The Presidency is the worst thing that could have ever happened to him. He could have stayed under the radar but is now being busted on his many years of criminal activity. And he's physically disintegrating before our eyes.



   
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I agree I think people are getting tired of T and company. Right after the election and for awhile I would read a new paper article about him and his cronies and the comments were more pro him. Now after 3 years of his tyranny the tides are turning I see more anti t comment then for him. Also he is getting booed now and Melaria was just booed today

First lady Melania Trump took her "Be Best" initiative to the Baltimore area on Tuesday, where she was met with a chorus of boos from attendees at a youth summit aimed at raising awareness about the nation's opioid crisis.

The heckling lasted for about one minute, according to CNN's Kate Bennett, who was in the room. But the audience remained raucous, audibly speaking over her remarks throughout her brief speech to the B'More Youth Summit.
 


   
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I tend to agree with Lawrence’s view. Everything T. touches dies. His presidency would have been much worse if he were competent at anything other than sabotaging himself. Because he is so ego driven, he constantly signals all of the bad things that he is doing. I am not minimizing how awful it is now, but I firmly believe that he will manage to have himself taken out of power sooner rather than later due to his own hubris. Even if he wanted to stay in power, I don’t think he will be able to endure physically or mentally.
The most frustrating part of the last several years has been watching the blatant criminality and wondering why I am seeing it and others are seemingly not - or don’t care about it. I feel like we have started on the downhill side of the rollercoaster. It will still be unsettling, but I think and hope that people’s eyes are starting to open. 



   
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Agree. Not only has he "hung" himself, he's destroying the GOP.

I feel he's barely physical functioning by May 2020. That's why we're seeing the WH statements he taken to his private quarters. We also have never heard an honest evaluation of his hospital trip. 



   
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@lawrence

I pray that you are right. The alternative is quite awful. We know who his idols are. His milita support would include neo-Nazi white nationalists who have been stockpiling weapons since the original American Nazi movement in the 1930's. This monster wants to be an absolute fascist king. If he had his way, unimpeded, that's what he would do.



   
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@baba

"Everything T. touches dies." -- I hope that does not include the U.S. democracy!



   
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@Yofisofi: I think the US democracy will be bruised and battered by the end of T’s time in power, but it will survive. I also think that the R. party will be severely wounded by this whole episode because they allowed T. to take over their party and make it his. My hope is that whoever is in power next will use the damage done currently as a guide to making changes that keep this from happening again. 



   
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The Presidency is the worst thing that could have ever happened to him. He could have stayed under the radar but is now being busted on his many years of criminal activity. 

@lawrence, yes yes yes!!  My husband and I have been saying that for the past three years.  Had T. not allowed his bloated, fractured ego run amok, he could have continued making money conning everyone.  And since T. understands the media and how to market himself, he could have even created another successful television show.  It's doubtful that any of his nefarious activities would have caught up with him, especially since he loves to sue and tie people up in litigation.  

Don't you just love poetic justice?



   
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@deetoo

Yes,  it's awesome.  I told a friend when he 1st announced it was the biggest mistake he'll ever make.



   
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