Yes. The purpose of a vaccine is to safely expose you to the virus so that your body builds antibodies and specialized t cells to respond to it the next time you come in contact with that particular virus. If you have had covid, you've been exposed to it amd there is literally nothing a vaccine can do for you that hasn't happened already.
If, down the road, it is shown that a 2nd exposure can give you strengthened immune responses going forward, then maybe they will get a booster, but as of right now, its just a complete waste of a vaccine. Frankly, I am hoping that people are given required antibody/t cell tests before being given the vaccine since it will be in short supply at the start.
The reinfection issues go back to what I said earlier about me having chicken pox more than one, and are why vaccines are never 100% effective. Some immune systems don't "remember" everything and those are the people getting bad cases the second time. From a biological viewpoint, all the vaccines do is "give you covid" without you having to risk getting really sick from it. If you've had it, and get it again, you would've gotten it again with the vaccine anyway.
One caveat is that law of averages says that there have been people to test positive and have not been infected-just having it in their nasal cavity and not an actual infection. Also there are going to be false positives as well from various issues. That is why I am hoping for antibody tests since some asymptomatic cases that were positive tests we not true infections and they are not immunologically exposed to it yet even though they think they are.
@isabelleYes, she did and regretted it very soon after. She won't do that again! I agree we all have to be very aware of how to deal with our health in a good way. She's also compromised because she has Hepatitis C. Just glad she pulled through!!
Just heard Bell's palsy is a possible side effect of both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. Apparently 3 Moderna and 4 Pfizer vaccine recipients got it out of the roughly 75000 total. I wouldnt say its something to be concerned about with the small numbers(0.01% or 1 in 10,000) but its something to be aware of.
Thank you for posting this. I have not had time to research this yet today and wanted to get it out there as something to watch for asap for anyone getting the vaccine early. What I had seen was from the CDC stating 7 in vaccine group and 1 in placebo group, so my first assumption was it is something in the serum that could trigger a reaction, albeit rare and not a big concern at all either way.
I will look more into the data more but first I have my own covid issues to deal with. The mother of our foster twins has had covid for over a week and attended 3 visits with the kids without telling anyone she was positive or that she was even tested/symptomatic. I found out 15 mins after a visit today. At that point, my logical brain shut off and I went on the typical "parent with someone endangering my kids" emotional rampage and I have stayed there for the better part of the afternoon and evening. Once I regain my sanity and after our covid tests come back, I will be in a much better position to think rationally again.
Oh my...very much hope that everyone stays healthy and uninfected in your family. I take it their bio mother knew she was infected and chose to visit anyway? If so, that is mind-bogglingly irresponsible.
Yes. Actually now I'm finding out it was both parents that knew they were infected and exposed the kids anyway. To keep from having a stress induced stroke from all of this today(lol kinda), I just keep focused on the bright side. The kids should never be allowed back with their parents for happenings long before today and we are in the middle of a court battle to terminate their parental rights. It should've been over months ago but covid kept delaying the trial. It's now scheduled for mid Feb. This should seal the outcome and their case worker now has sturdy grounds to stop visitation completely-something Ive been advocating for for over a year.
@mas1581 wow, man. I can't believe someone would do that. Will be keeping you and your family in my prayers.
For anyone thinking of fostering kids, if you can't deal with the full scope of what human beings are capable of, I suggest you don't. I have seen first hand more than my fair share of things I never thought couldve happened outside of bad thriller movies.
The hardest part of fostering isn't dealing with the kids, or helping raise kids with severe emotional issues, or even the kids leaving after you got strongly attached. The hardest part is coming face to face with the worst our species is capable of and still trying to sleep at night.
I adopted my daughter from overseas but never had any dealings with her bio parents so my experience was far, far easier than yours despite dealing with various emotional and physical challenges over the years. Thank God your children have you!! My hat is off to both you and your wife and, yes, I imagine this would pretty much "seal the deal" with your upcoming court case. I'm sure that everyone on this site will say prayers on your behalf that your entire family stays safe and healthy...
Got some partial good news this morning. I am positive, but my wife is negative. Still waiting on the kids' results but all 3 are asymptomatic if positive. Still praying for the minor chance that I got it off their clothes after a visit and not from them directly. Id be ecstatic if I was the only one with it in the family.
@mas1581. Thanks for the update! Take good care of yourself. Lots of fluids and rest.
Thank you. I did get something today that I havent gotten in years.......a mid day nap. With 3 kids, that, alone, is worth getting covid for. Hahaha
My heart goes out to you ...
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Best wishes for your healing?
@mas1581. Bless your heart. It’s bad when you have to get sick to get a little rest and peace and quiet. Feel better soon!!! ?
Thank you, @jsr78, for correcting the bells palsy rumor. When I saw the first post on this subject, I suspected it was a red herring. I did some Internet research and saw it was indeed one of those misunderstood statistics. But didn't have time until now to respond.
Even if only the vaccinated had gotten Bells Palsy in those small numbers, it was still a percentage that fits what they call "background" data. In other words, in any empirical study, the subjects are expected to have some health issues pop up that occur regularly in the general population and have nothing to do with the vaccine. The Bells Palsy incidence in the vaccinated group was no different than is expected in the general population.
The problem we have with the vaccine is that we don't have enough of it and people are suffering/dying now. Plus that idiot T didn't buy more of the Pfizer vaccine.
Am I the only one who's tired as hell that we're still talking about #45, even on threads that should have nothing to do with him? Stop mentioning his name and he'll go away.