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(@lizzie)
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Hello Fellow Members of this Forum. I am writing to ask if anyone has read about a prophecy made a long time ago (I don't think it is Biblical) predicting that a virus will attack Humanity, and that only God will be able to end it for all. The way it is supposed to end is during a very, very, very hot day were not a single drop of rain will fall anywhere in the world for 24 hours.

I read it once but I didn't bookmarked it. Has anyone read the same article?



   
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(@journeywithme2)
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23 days ago I got the J&J vaccine -2 days before they suspended it for a bit. I did fine with it...did experience 3 days of side effects i.e. fever,chills,muscle and joint aches and fatigue. Today? I went to CVS Minute Clinic and got the Covid19 antibodies test - checking to see if my body was responding with making immunity yet.  Interestingly enough? I had a very strong positive for IgG antibodies and positive for IgM antibodies. The practitioner told me that that indicates I have had covid-19 and that my body is also building more antibodies from the vaccine I received. The way it was explained to me was that IgG antibodies are more mature and responsible for longer term immunity than IgM antibodies after a viral infection vaccine. Which explains why I had a 3 day reaction of symptoms. A stronger response of side effects is seen in patients previously infected. I thought it was well worth the $38.00 cash out of pocket for me to see the actual results of the antibody test proving my levels of protection, giving me some peace of mind. TBS? I will STILL wear my mask, social distance and wash my hands. However I will now enjoy outings like my walks and hikes and outdoor restaurant meals and going to the Farmers Market for fresh produce now! I suspected I might have had it about 2-11-2020 when what we thought was a bad strain of flu sweep through our clinic. It also shows that my immune system mounted a strong response that has lasted over a year!!!  at 65.5 years of age with 4 auto-immune diseases I found that very encouraging!!! To know that my alternative medicine self care and some prednisone (that I always have on hand for PA flares) handled my body's response to the virus very well makes me totally feel like I dodged a bullet as I had no health insurance at that time. If nothing else... this Pandemic has laid bare and exposed our woefully inadequate healthcare system.



   
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(@polarberry)
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Hi everyone,

About a month and a half ago, I posted that I had received my first vaccine, but had made the decision to forgo the second shot and hope that the 50-80 percent protection I would (hopefully) get from the one shot would suffice. It was a personal decision I was making, but I asked Jeanne to delete the post as I realized it might come across as anti-vaccine, which I am definitely not. I was just scared, to be completely honest, as I have been pretty miserable the last couple of months with my fibromyalgia, and the thought of adding to it was not pleasant.

Anyway, after seeing my doctor, and more research and reading, I got the second shot this afternoon. Pfizer. So fingers crossed. The nurse who gave me the shot was awesome; it was quick and I didn't even feel the needle. I am drinking a lot (water) ? and ice-packing. My state is now leading the nation in COVID cases and so many are acting like the pandemic is over and I don't understand it. Of course everyone wants things to return to normal but that's not reality. I guess some people's way of dealing with reality is to ignore it. And here we are.

I haven't been on for a time; hope everyone is doing well.

 

 



   
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(@lovendures)
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@polarberry

So good to see you Polarberry.  We have missed you.  I am glad you were able to consult with your doctor the best course of action for YOU.  We are all different and have different needs and concerns.

I will keep you in my prayers.  May your vaccination be a blessing for you and may your body have only a mild reaction.  Please keep us posted on how things go.  SO sorry to hear about your state and the virus right now.  That really sucks. Yep!  Here we are about sums it up doesn't it?  Ignoring this never works isn the long run.



   
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(@jeanne-mayell)
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@polarberry. I hope you know how much we support you in your decision and bravery.  I sent healing energy to you in the form of angels just now and had the funniest vision. 

I saw you in my mind's eye, taking it easy after the shot and sitting up in bed. First I saw the angels giving you meticulous care during the shot, and then later the  angels came and surrounded you while you were home in bed. Then angels were bouncing up and down on the bed like kids playing. Perhaps they are trying to enliven you? I hope it's okay that I shared this. It was just a  fun image. 



   
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@lovendures  Hugs and prayers ???????  I so hear you! I was bitten by a deer tick in my left armpit (hazards of living in/near the woods) that I found and removed the day I was getting my  vaccine. I seriously debated whether or not to get it. I decided to go ahead with it. I did have a fever and a rash after my vaccination along with the aches and chills etc for 2.5 days. Yesterday? I awoke with the lymph nodes in my left side neck swollen. With the prevalence of  tick borne illnesses on the rise I went to see Doc. Started on a 3 week course of doxycycline. I am still thankful to have gotten the vaccine. I know there is a genetic component  to auto-immune issues, I know many are caused by environment. Something that triggers our bodies to attack itself.. mycoplasma hiding in our cells and a lot more involved. It does complicate our decisions on what is best for our particular situations.  Happy to "see" you again here and prayers for Highest Good outcomes for all.



   
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(@jeanne-mayell)
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@journeywithme2. Oh man, I am so glad you got lyme treatment and that you got the vaccine. It's so good you knew what to do.

In the future, however, if you or if anyone here is ever bitten and find the tick on you, i.e., you catch the bite close to when it happens, don't wait to get lyme symptoms.

You can prevent Lyme disease from happening in your body by immediately begin taking a full course of appropriate antibiotics the same day that you found the tick on you.

Take some photos of the tick or preferably bring the dead tick with you in a see-through zip bag  and get to a doctor on the same day for identification and antibiotics.  Go to an ER or urgent care center if you can't get to a doctor to get the drug script.  Do not take no from a doctor, unless you have a special medical condition that you or the doctor knows about that means you don't tolerate antibiotics.  

If you take the antibiotics when you have just been bit, the lyme-carrying spirochete that has been released into your blood stream cannot get traction and you will never get Lyme disease in the first place, which is much preferred to waiting for it to start replicating in your system.  



   
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Lovendures & Jeanne,

Thank you, and I have missed being here. I go in for some imaging soon. And Jeanne, I love your vision. I'm actually really excited to hear that angels are willing to get anywhere near me. ? 

Just kidding.....I was actually sitting up in bed last night, sleepy but couldn't sleep right then. Aside from my other pain, I am feeling pretty good, shot-wise, so far. Arm is very sore but nothing else, knock on wood.



   
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Update, day two. Very sore under armpit (lymph nodes sore and swollen), arm pain going away, no other symptoms. ? 

I have been wondering if not receiving the second shot later (eight weeks) has anything to do with it. Not recommending that, just curious because the rest of my family spent two days post second shot in misery. Or maybe I'm just used to feeling like crap so I'm not noticing? ? 



   
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@polarberry,

I’m happy to hear that shot #2 is over and your reactions appear to be manageable.  I understand this was a difficult decision for you.  I also have fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome, so I can relate to your concerns. 

When I was deciding about the vaccine, I considered two things:  (1) because of my mast cell allergic reactions, I wanted to receive the vaccine in a more controlled environment, where medical personnel would hopefully be nearby; and (2) would the vaccine cause a major relapse of fibro and/or chronic fatigue?  I was concerned about a big crash that might take weeks or months for me to recover from.   

I was able to address #1 and find the right environment, a vaccination clinic connected to a major hospital.  That surprised me, since at the time such environments were difficult to come by.  I also consulted with my CFS physician, who I trust and really like.  I knew that people with fibro and CFS were not included in the initial trials, so I wondered whether I should wait a few months until more data came in.  It was my doctor’s opinion that although it seemed reasonable to wait if I could control my risk of exposure, in general he was encouraging his patients to get the vaccine as soon as possible.    

Ultimately I decided that the risk of getting the virus far exceeded the risk of having a CFS/fibro crash.  A CFS crash I could work through in time.  We already know what Covid can do.   

I believe that God, or Spirit, or the Universe, or whatever you believe, works through whatever, and whomever, is available at the time.  I decided to have faith in the scientists behind the vaccine.  I believe most love their work, want to help heal people and make their lives better.  So I thought about the intention behind their work.  And I saw God working with and through these scientists.  I saw a divine hand guiding them in creating this vaccine.   And when I saw the vaccine entering my arm, I chose to see it as something good for my body, strengthening and protecting me.   Helping me to move on with my life.

In addition, I considered this:  because of Covid, the stress of being so restricted in my movements and decisions had been affecting my immune system, that I know for certain.  Also, my life was becoming smaller than it already was from the CFS and fibro.  I wanted my life to open up again, and that included more mobility and connection with loved ones.

So I am now fully vaccinated.  The two shots were spaced 3 weeks apart.  It’s been 6 weeks since my second Pfizer shot.  I had a stronger response to the first shot – chills, major exhaustion, some nausea and fibro aches that lasted a few weeks.   I also had some CFS/fibro symptoms and a sore arm after the second shot, but it didn’t last long.  What did surprise me was the rheumatoid arthritis flare I had from the second shot.  I don’t know why I was surprised since RA is inflammatory, which is what the vaccine does – it creates inflammation.  As my body adjusted to the vaccine and began to balance itself, the joint pain diminished.  

@polarberry, I’ll pray that your vaccine experience continues to be uneventful!  Make sure you get lots of rest and hydration.  Sending love and healing light your way.



   
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Posted by: @polarberry

Update, day two. Very sore under armpit (lymph nodes sore and swollen), arm pain going away, no other symptoms. ? 

I have been wondering if not receiving the second shot later (eight weeks) has anything to do with it. Not recommending that, just curious because the rest of my family spent two days post second shot in misery. Or maybe I'm just used to feeling like crap so I'm not noticing? ? 

Reactions to the vaccine are varied and random , and I haven't been able discern any pattern from people's individual vaccine  reactions.  No one in my extended family had any reaction beyond a mildly sore arm and a little bit of fatigue.  These people are men and women aged 19 to 93.  Most of my co-workers were also fine, with a few exceptions being a 60-something man, 60-something woman, and a 30-something man.   No pattern there either.  And it seems people on this forum have had widely different reactions.   This isn't a large-scale controlled study of course, but there aren't even any consistent hints to be found in the limited data set.  

The great thing is that now I feel 90% invincible and although I still follow mask and distancing protocol, it is a great comfort. 

I hope you feel better soon-- in fact I'm sure you will!



   
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@lizzie

I've read many articles and predictions about the end of the world down through the years. I have my personal religious beliefs about it. I don't think COVID is it. Just another nasty bump in the road.



   
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(@polarberry)
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deetoo,

That was my worry as well; that the vaccine would trigger a bad fibro attack that would last weeks or months, exactly as you said. 

I decided that catching COVID, besides being potentially deadly, if I became a long-hauler I would be dealing with those symptoms on top of what I already have, so, as the saying goes, the devil you know.

Iridium,

I am so, so grateful for how it appears to be playing out, and of course, grateful for the vaccine. Hopefully there is light at the end of the tunnel for all of us, and for places like India where there is so much suffering.

Even if you feel like dogmeat for a couple days, COVID is much worse.



   
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Wonderful news!  The US will donate 500 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine to the world. 
I have been waiting to hear something like this news.    Waiting .  We Must Do This! So happy!!!!

It is so nice to feel proud of my country and the Biden Administration.

So happy for those in need around the World.
Such hope and light is spreading today!

I can’t link the news right now, sorry!



   
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(@jeanne-mayell)
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Posted by: @lovendures

Wonderful news!  The US will donate 500 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine to the world. 
I have been waiting to hear something like this news.    Waiting .  We Must Do This! So happy!!!!

It is so nice to feel proud of my country and the Biden Administration.

So happy for those in need around the World.
Such hope and light is spreading today!

Yes, It is so nice to feel proud of our country and the Biden Administration. ❤️ 



   
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Just leaving this here for everyone's information. Turns out that there are basically 12 people who are actively spreading vaccine and other COVID misinformation. the worst offender is "Dr. Mercola" - who I know many of us have seen his postings online in the past.

We will never have herd immunity as long as people like this continue as they have been. Yes, in the US you have a right to free speech, but that doesn't include speech that ultimately harms others.

The Disinformation Dozen



   
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@laura-f 

 

Thank you for this.  I used to visit Mercola's website from time to time.  I went less beginning a few years ago and stopped all together when covid hit.  I started getting all sorts of red flags while visiting the last time or too. 

Thank you for this information.



   
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@laura-f Thank you for that document. I was dismayed to see Christian Northrup on that list as an anti-vaxer. She is someone I use to respect in the early days of alternative medicine.  



   
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Posted by: @jeanne-mayell

@laura-f Thank you for that document. I was dismayed to see Christian Northrup on that list as an anti-vaxer. She is someone I use to respect in the early days of alternative medicine.  

That's too bad.  I used to like Northrup as well but things I've read from her recently have raised red flags with my logic. 



   
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(@laura-f)
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@jeanne-mayell @iridium @lovendures

Yes I was disappointed too, Dr Northrup did so much for breast cancer awareness. And I didn't realize  for a long time that Mercola is a quack a la Alex Jones.



   
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