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@jessi1978

Wow wow wow!!

Thanks for giving us some really good talking points examples to share in real life! 

 

 



   
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@jeanne-mayell

I am more worried for the immigrants in the detention centers. They can’t get the flu vaccine what is going to happen if someone in that faculty gets the Coronavirus. Imagine the death toll. We have people in this administration who don’t see them as humans. This is a disaster waiting to happen. 

Also in regards to the person in CA who chase the virus:

 The first suspected U.S. case of a patient getting the new coronavirus through "community spread" — with no history of travel to affected areas or exposure to someone known to have the COVID-19 illness — was left undiagnosed for days because a request for testing wasn't initially granted, according to officials at UC Davis Medical Center in Sacramento, Calif.

...It said the CDC initially ruled out a test for the coronavirus because the patient's case didn't match its criteria.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/02/27/809944423/diagnosis-of-coronavirus-patient-in-california-was-delayed-for-days

 



   
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All you lovely souls here - and how beautiful you all are!

Jeanne held a meditation/healing session on this new plague last night.  I don't know of she's posted it yet, but knowing Jeanne, it will be posted, and I encourage those of you who could not attend live to join by watching when you can.

I scanned the last couple of pages here and feel a huge spike in panicky reactions.  And yeah, I panicked about three weeks ago knowing many of my coworkers were attending a big sales meeting that included attendees from our China branch and potentially bringing this new virus back to the home office.  

Plagues are scarey.  They kill people - this one has the potential to kill lots of people.  And the scariest aspect of all is there is really not much we can do about it.  Truly, for a period of time, usually a year to 18 months, there is a free fall.  People are going to die.  ( yep, we all know we're going to die someday, right)  Jobs are going to be lost.  Accidents are going to happen.  Money and goods(including food) are going to be scarce.  Travel is going to be locked down.  

And we've done all of this before.  

Pandora opened her box untold years ago.  Eve ate that apple.  Yet we're here.  We Are Here!  And Hope stuck around after Pandora opened her box.  

Counting the number of people with this new virus isn't going to change it.  Trying to anticipate how many and who will die because of it won't change its course.  Blaming incompetent governments for the way they are testing, or disseminating information about it won't make it go away.  

Spirit has this one.  Wherever you are, who ever you are, just know that we are in a period of change.  Life is going to be different for awhile.  Lessons will be learned.  Hope is still with us.

Hope sees that the world will change for the better.  I personally think we'll see a significant reduction in greenhouse gases- convert to a more work from home environment- move to a more local focus for our sustainability.  These are GOOD things.  

Yes, it's going to be messy.  Lots of mess on the horizon.  Personally, I am quite sure the trip I have planned in early April to see my son for the first time since December is going to be disrupted.  That sucks.  Truly sucks, hate it with a passion, will certainly throw a temper tantrum to beat any two year old's if/when that comes to pass.  I suspect my job will be eliminated by the end of this year and the company I work for will not survive the next couple of years.  For all I ( or to be quite honest at this point any one of you) know, I have this virus and could be on a respirator or dead in a month.  

But, BUT(!) Spirit has got this.  If I can't see my son in person- I wasn't meant to.  If I lose my job or my life- it is for a reason.  

Man proposes and God disposes.  Life is what happens while you're making other plans.  Shit in one hand, wish in the other and see which one fills up first(thanks to my Grandma W for that wonderfully colorful and apt description of how to navigate being a human).

We're in a tough spot.  This is a pandemic with serious ramifications.  Unless you can develop a vaccine ( and I feel there are people who read this site who can) then you're going to have to ride this.  How you ride it is up to you.  Panic isn't going to help you ride it.  

What's helping me get through is:

Knowing we're in a crisis.  I don't guess anymore that we are in it - counts and iffy government reporting won't change it.

I have food supplies for probably a month.  I tend to keep a well stocked pantry even in normal times.  I'm not going out and buying the whole store.  Spend what extra money you have to stock in some canned goods.

Masks aren't going to help.  Please don't buy into this and leave the  masks and personal protective gear for our first line defenders.

Spend your Hope on supporting your local medical community in any way you can.  Ask them what they need and give what you can to get it for them- this can be volunteering to organize community communication through e-mail or other electronic communication.  Do they need food delivery, do they need people to cancel public meetings, do they need better personal protective gear.  If you have money- contribute to your local hospital.  Take some online classes in CPR - get yourself prepared to be the best nurse you can.

Let's shift our energy from looking anxiously at how bad this is going to be (personally and communally) to focusing on how we can fortify those who are in the fight already and will be in it for awhile.

We're here- the jeanie isn't going back in the bottle.  No government is going to solve this.  WE have to.

 

Love you all!



   
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This is 'interesting".
 
'The CDC has been referring to guidance on how to deal with flu pandemics, in a document called "Community Mitigation Guidelines to Prevent Pandemic Influenza United States 2017." It's the "blueprint" for community interventions, and the agency is adjusting its recommendations to the specific circumstances of the coronavirus outbreak, officials said.
The document draws from the findings of nearly 200 journal articles written between 1990 and 2016, and it includes a summary of lessons learned from the response to the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, which killed hundreds of thousands globally."
 

Here is an example of what the CDC suggests schools do if widespread transmission of the coronavirus occurs.

 
"In schools, that could involve dividing classes into smaller groups of students and rearranging desks so students are spaced at least 3 feet from each other in a classroom, according to the document. That is, if the school remains open."
 
That is insane.  (I seem to be using the words idiot and insane frequently when writing about how our government is responding to this outbreak. Apologies.) There is nothing written in  this paragraph which has any concept of reality except closing a school.  Can you imagine a bunch of kindergarten students remaining 3 feet apart?  They are still learning how to stay in a straight line while walking to the lunch room.  They are still learning to sneeze into..anything other than the air.  And in what world do they think class size can be reduced?  Magically hire 3 times the amount of teachers and somehow find available space to hold these reduced class sizes?
 


   
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@luminata

Your post is simply beautiful and so well said.  A great reminder of what we already know or at least feel.  Time to re-set myself.

Thank you. 

 



   
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Ok. Super important questions.

1- If one needed to self-isolate for 14 days, how much chocolate should one be prepared to have on hand for a family of 4 adults even if one of the adults lives away at school and only visits a few weekends a month? ( Gotta love math word problems.  Where is Andrew Yang when I need him?)

2- Would it be considered rude if one stashed some chocolate away from the rest of the family?  Well, of course that would be rude, but would it be ok to do so anyway?  

3- Would it make sense to make a Costco run today for toilet paper and chocolate or save the toilet paper run for when one has  more room in the car, after say after a solo emergency chocolate run?

4- If one must ration chocolate, wait, can that be a thing?

5-  To keep the spirits up of a family under self isolation, would it be permissible to plan for a different chocolate event each day of the week?  Say, s'mores on Monday's, chocolate pudding on Tuesday, chocolate pie on Wednesday, chocolate fudge on Thursday , hot fudge sundaes on Friday, hot chocolate on Saturday and a a chocolate cake on Sunday?

Is there anything else I am missing?

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This spells more trouble for this incompetent administration. I guess they can’t stop the whistle blowers. 

Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent more than a dozen workers to receive the first Americans evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, without proper training for infection control or appropriate protective gear, according to a whistleblower complaint.

The workers did not show symptoms of infection and were not tested for the virus,according to lawyers for the whistleblower, who is a senior HHS official based in Washington who oversees workers at the Administration for Children and Families, a unit within HHS.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-without-protective-gear-assisted-coronavirus-evacuees-hhs-whistleblower-says/%3foutputType=amp



   
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@lovendures

Go buy sugar and coco powder,  probably powdered milk and some type of oil.  Find recipes online about how to make chocolate in your own kitchen and PRINT them. ( right now you can get actual butter and cream, eggs if needed and blocks baking chocolate.  

Try making your own chocolate confections.  If you want cake, buy flour and probably baking powder( consult recipes before purchasing - salt is usually called for but can be reduced). Pudding usually involves some type of cream ( milk + oil  oil and a coalluglant like flour to make it gell up)

Barring the complexities and expense involved in all of that, buy coco powder and eat it raw - better yet, dissolve it in some boiled water and add a spoonful of sugar.  No, it's not Godiva, but it can and will suffice.

 

 

 



   
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@jessi1978

Wouldn't it be ironic if the White House staff contracted it and gave it to Fearless Leader?

 



   
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@lovendures

Now Honey!?!?!!  You KNOW you are going to need a nice red wine with all that chocolate!!!! ;-) :-D

 



   
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Posted by: @journeywithme2

@jessi1978

Wouldn't it be ironic if the White House staff contracted it and gave it to Fearless Leader?

 

You mean like the deputy health minister of Iran?  Did you all see that video?  



   
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@jeanne-mayell

 

Yes it was funny. 

 



   
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I had not seen it! WOW!

 



   
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@journeywithme2 That Iran video was like something out of SNL. 

As for lying and lack of transparency during a public health crisis as Trump did yesterday -- it is well known to cause panic and clogging up the medical care system. Not believing the administration and not having test kits, healthy people will start showing up at hospitals and health clinics concerned about a cold, and overwhelm the system.  Government transparency is essential in a public health crisis for the public to remain calm and respond in an orderly way. 

 



   
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Pay attention to this news!

The Pope is ill and canceled a planned Mass with Rome clergy today.  Yesterday, Ash Wednesday he was filmed in the service with cold symptoms.  

We have 2 predictions about the Vatican that I am aware of for March.  Do we have more?

https://time.com/5791543/pope-francis-cancels-slight-illness/



   
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@lovendures

OMG. Chocolate!  Here I thought had all necessities covered.  This is how we prepared: wine, coffee, ramen.  Prescription meds. Hand sanitizer. Clorox wipes. Gloves.  N95 masks. toiletries, cleaning products.   Good to go, right?

Then I had another think and added pantry staples like flour, sugar, canned chicken, tuna, beans, lots of dried beans, dried fruit, powdered eggs, powdered milk, butter and bacon, frozen vegetables, meat, chicken, salmon.  Plus we have a month’s supply of freeze dried meals, real prepper stuff from Costco.

if you’re going to freak the freak out, I figure you might as well go all out.  Now I find out I’ve  forgotten chocolate.  

 



   
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We have our first confirmed case today here in New Zealand.  A person from Iran who arrived a few days ago.



   
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@bluebelle, you seem well prepared.  How could I forget BACON??? 

The CDC says plan for 3 days (which is too little for any real disaster as many have learn anyway). Planning for a quarantine however is different.  It could be weeks and weeks of Ramen would be a sad thing in deed.  With a quarantine, you SHOULD have power and water if you have a house.  With an apartment I heard water is iffier.  Someone mentioned making lots of chicken soup and storing it.  I like that idea.  I also am going to make sure I have bone broth.  Toilet paper can go quickly.   Feminine supplies are  key for those who might need them or diapers for babies.  I need to get dog food.  Weeks worth of that I do not have currently.  Probably trash bags too and detergent.  

@JourneyWithMe2, wine is a great idea. For the chocolate of course.  

If I need to self-quarantine, I think I am going to need to find a fun way to occupy myself.  Maybe I will share quarantine meal plans with everyone here.  Instead of the "Keto Diet" or "Paleo Diet" it will be the  "14 Day Quarantine Diet".  That sounds boring.  I will need a better name.

 



   
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I am glad New Zealand will test people who have traveled from Iran.  

New Zealand is on top of things.

 



   
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@bluebelleIf you add baking powder, baking soda, corn meal and dried buttermilk, and yeast will be able to make simple quick breads, biscuits, pancakes and simple yeast breads like focaccia or pizza.

 



   
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