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@raincloud   Thanks for the comments   I do think the dreams about showering (which I have very often) are connected somehow to cleansing - not physically but maybe washing off "bad vibes" or negative emotions. I tend to pick up the emotions of others too easilyl  '

About humankind needing a new planet-- as a geochemist, I can tell you that we will never, ever find a planet more compatible with our physiology than Earth is.  No matter how bad Earth gets, anyplace else will be worse.  Our bodies evolved to be specifically tailored for the chemistry and environment of Earth.  The combination of the nutrients in its soil, the composition and pressure of the atmosphere, the electromagnetic spectrum of the Sun, the gravity and magnetism of Earth and pretty much every little detail is unique to Earth.  Some places (not yet discovered) may come close, but there will always be something lacking or something too abundant for our bodies to handle.  Those problems would have to be figured out first, then a remedy would need to be developed . 

As much as humans have altered some characteristics of Earth, it would be far easier to undo those alterations that it would be to terraform another planet to our specific needs.  So-- I personally don't think we should be looking for other planetary homes.  Maybe the dream just meant for me personally, another home, and as Jeanne suggested, I could have also been picking up on the vibes of Musk and others.  (Which must have been icky vibes!  Wow I need a shower. 🤢    

Sorry for veering from the dream topic.



   
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@ana I absolutely loved your geochemical lecture! Even for crass materialists, it would be convincing with your lecture that humanity can't simply replace Mother Earth and throw her away when she's used up by us. We all have a responsibility to care for this beautiful and scared planet, and that includes fixing the mistakes we as humanity have made.



   
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Posted by: @ana

About humankind needing a new planet-- as a geochemist, I can tell you that we will never, ever find a planet more compatible with our physiology than Earth is.  No matter how bad Earth gets, anyplace else will be worse.  Our bodies evolved to be specifically tailored for the chemistry and environment of Earth.  The combination of the nutrients in its soil, the composition and pressure of the atmosphere, the electromagnetic spectrum of the Sun, the gravity and magnetism of Earth and pretty much every little detail is unique to Earth.  Some places (not yet discovered) may come close, but there will always be something lacking or something too abundant for our bodies to handle.  Those problems would have to be figured out first, then a remedy would need to be developed . 

As much as humans have altered some characteristics of Earth, it would be far easier to undo those alterations that it would be to terraform another planet to our specific needs.    

@ana, thank you for stating so meticulously and clearly what I have also believed in my gut ever since the idea of colonizing other planets appeared.  The movie, Intersteller, while an astounding masterpiece in one way, I found to be totally off base for its assumption that the human race had to vacate and live on some Saturn moon. 

That said, I can see Musk or Musk-like entrepreneurs seeing the moon as an expensive entertainment trip, similar to the Titan trip to the bottom of the ocean. 

 



   
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Posted by: @joy
We all have a responsibility to care for this beautiful and scared planet
 

Actually I wanted to write "beautiful and sacred planet”, but my subconscious made me write “beautiful and scared planet”...

 



   
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@joy  "scared" works too, unfortunately



   
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@ana 

I agree completely about the futility and impossibility of an alternate planet. Still, on some level I wondered if your knowledgeable psyche would agree with Stephen Hawking in that we might wish we had one. 



   
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@raincloud I think the question of whether Stephen Hawking would want us to have another planet is connected to the big question of whether one can put trust in humanity and believe that it can take care of this planet and all of us. I know that Stephen Hawking didn't believe in a higher creator or God, and he obviously didn't believe in humanity being able to care about the planet or about humanity itself well enough. So he proposed to humanity to better look for another planet in order to be able to survive.

 

I personally do believe in a higher creator, and after the fascinating geochemical lecture, I feel like our higher creator saw it as something good to learn for humanity to be dependent forever on planet Earth when at the same time giving us the responsibility to take care of the Earth.


   
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@joy eventually of course if humanity continues into the far future, we will have to leave this planet if we want our species to survive… Solar systems do not exist for eternity…



   
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@freya Wow... what a thought....this is pretty far ahead in time, a few billion years or so. Thus, I haven't considered this ... but of course, you are absolutely right! It might be a good idea to care for planet Earth for the next few billion years, though 😉



   
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@pamp Your absolutely huge sandstorm with thunder storms from your dream has hit Arizona dust-storm-phoenix-monsoon-flights-grounded-power-outages



   
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