My Mom and I watched the debate, she hid under a blanket the whole time. She couldn't take the confrontational aggression coming from Twitler. (Side note, he seemed extra orange last night, wow!) I knew going in it was going to be rough, I think given the circumstances Biden did quite well. I was watching on NBC and even the analysts they had were left a little speechless on what they had just witnessed.
Someone mentioned they only saw one debate happening. I can see now, how maybe Biden will pull out of the remaining debates if this is how Trump behaves, they definitely should have had a mute button ready.
I won "debate bingo" seven different ways across four debate bingo cards last night. It was a horrific display -- I thought to myself at the beginning "Well, I'll never cross this square off." Nope -- I crossed the worst ones you can think of off.
My glimmer of hope: Biden was at his best when he wasn't breaking and falling for the traps Trump laid for him. By this, I mean, the interruptions -- Biden fought back on a few of these, but when he turned, looked straight at the camera (and thus the American people) and addressed the nation, those were his strongest moments.
I'm a terrible human being, but I fired off an angry gram to my mom this morning. How she can stand by and still vote for him after his "stand ready" comment to the Proud Boys -- I flat out asked her if this is the America she envisions her grand daughters growing up in. It was not my proudest moment, but subtlety was lost months ago. She gets her absentee ballot any day now.
And on that note, I filled out my absentee ballot and dropped it off to my clerks office yesterday an hour before the debates started.
I stand by my choice :-)
The answer to your question, it is that they are single issue voters. For most of those undecideds, the issue is abortion. In their eyes its a choice between a hedonistic tyrant and a baby killer. Everyone else has made up their minds because it is an easy decision-either they support Trump due to greed or hatred, or they don't and will vote Biden.
As far as Wallacw losing control of the debates, I cant fault him. Anyone would have unless they stooped to Trump's level and fully engaged him. Trump didn't do any prep because this has been his plan all along.....bully, overtalk, throw out lies and not allow rebuttals, and act "tough," and it worked perfectly for his base. Anything Wallace couldve done to reclaim control would have been met with even more bullying from Trump and lost control of it it even more.
Entertaining series of tweets on "Who won the debate?" Especially this one:
https://twitter.com/PlanetsFuture/status/1311173257614127105?s=20
What did chill me was his "stand down and stand by" comment to those Proud Boy nut jobs. Not only was it Trump declining to condemn white supremacy, but I saw on Twitter that they (not surprisingly) took it as a call to arms.
I fear that was the "result" of this debate. Nancy Pelosi was right to discourage Biden from doing the debate, but that would have given T fodder to declare Biden "scared" of him. The call to the "Proud Boys" was disturbing me most. People have already made up their mind if they are voting for the fascist Orange Nightmare.
I don't feel there may be another debate between T and Biden for some reason. Wondering if anyone else is sensing this. I think there are two more scheduled, but I feel that IF they happen it will only be one more - if any.
Co-workers talking about the debate like it was a reality TV show. Ridiculous. What happened to this country?
I wasn't planning on donating to Biden campaign but said screw it after that "debate", I gave $100. I hope Biden has another great fundraising month for September.
As far as Wallacw losing control of the debates, I cant fault him. Anyone would have unless they stooped to Trump's level and fully engaged him. Trump didn't do any prep because this has been his plan all along.....bully, overtalk, throw out lies and not allow rebuttals, and act "tough," and it worked perfectly for his base. Anything Wallace couldve done to reclaim control would have been met with even more bullying from Trump and lost control of it it even more.
Yes -- and another reason a pathological liar does not need to prep is because he can just make up any falsehood on the spot and throw it out in lieu of a counterargument. No studying needed! Sure, fact checking will happen later by responsible, professional journalists, but his indoctrinated base is never going to see that part. Trump emits his lies with a tone of absolute confidence, and his base just laps it up.
No, you are a good person, because you are giving your mom a chance to really reflect on what her values are and how she wants this country shaped for her grandchildren. If she can't let go of the hate in her heart, that is her issue. You are pointing it out rather than ignoring, thus she can't ignore it either.
The debate failed at even being a debate. Period. I was personally embarrassed for all three men on that stage.
Yes, Chris Wallace lost control of the debaters but both candidates succumbed to their inner children and the result was not effective for either candidate.
Sad and very disappointed. Too many shadows needing to come out on a huge public arena.
A winner has indeed been declared as a result of the first "debate".
And the Proud Boys rallying cry is "We're standing by sir" and they've already made t-shirts proclaiming "Proud Boys Standing By.
Sad sad sad.
We now have an issue because of last night.
How do we actually have the next Presidential debate? We had rules that had already been agreed upon before the debate, but the candidates ( mostly Trump) chose not to follow the rules. One would need to assume this behavior will be repeated. If there is no penalty for breaking rules and clearly there was not one applied last night, how can there in fact be a second debate? Every game/sport has rules and consequences for breaking them rules. Football, hockey, soccer, baseball, swimming, track and field, speed skating, tennis and even boxing. Every one. If there is no penalty for someone breaking the rules in these critical debates, if cheating and a blatant disregard for the process is tolerated without consequence, how can the "event" even take place?
I am seriously asking this question. How can Biden go on stage for the second one when there is no penalty with any teeth in place. Without a moderator who will be desirous or even have the power to moderate and give out consequences that have meaning, how can there be a debate worthy of such an important election? Worthy of our nation?
We can no longer assume rules agreed upon will be upheld.
So, what to do?
Here's an idea, if you interrupt, 15 seconds of your time is added on to the other person's time. You actually lose time, not just give the interrupted person extra time back. Mics get cut off too.
You simply can't have a debate if there are not enforceable rules.
@lovendures my group that watched last night -- we all agreed, the moderator has to be able to cut the mic feed.
Another interesting thing -- I went back to Facebook (I've been off since July) to check on a few things over my lunch hour. My conservative peeps were touting that Trump handily won the debates and that Chris Wallace was incredibly biased against Trump. My liberal peeps were touting that Biden handily won the debates and Chris Wallace was incredibly biased against Biden.
All Americans seem to have one thing in common. For a multitude of reasons, Chris Wallace was unable to perform the duties of moderator effectively.
We have to start somewhere, right?
Chris Wallace (or any moderator) needed a way to cut the sound to the microphones. I thought he did a pretty good job, but I disliked his pandering to Trump (like an adult trying to keep a 3 year old from having a tantrum....oh look, you'll like this, I'm going to bring up your point to Joe Biden now).
Beyond embarrassing.
I respectfully agree with most of what you said, except I do not feel that Biden acted like a child. I think (given the circumstances) he did the best anyone could with what he was given.
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Dear sweet Tricia,
Me:
" but both candidates succumbed to their inner children and the result was not effective for either candidate."
Sorry i did not use the more recognized wording "the inner child" but used the plural form "inner children".
When we talk about the inner child or the wounded child, the correct psychological terminology for a major part of all of our innermost psychological personality components which come out in different situations throughout our lives for recognition and healing.
Under stress and when arguing with others, we all resort in frustration to using emotions and language such as was used last night. But the fact that we all do it and even pick up another's energy and respond in a similar fashion--name calling, put downs, etc. are examples of such a response by each of our own wounded inner child or pleural those wounded "inner children".
Essential Secrets of Psychotherapy : The Inner Child | Psychology Today
"Destructive behavior takes various forms: from subtle self-sabotage and self-defeating patterns to passive hostility to severe self-destructive symptoms, violent aggression and, sometimes, evil deeds. Commonly, destructive behavior in adults bears the impetuous, impulsive quality of childish petulance or narcissistic temper tantrums.
Or an infantile neediness, dependency, and dread of abandonment. Or an irresponsibility and angry refusal to be an adult: the "Peter Pan syndrome," or what Jungians refer to as a puer or puella complex.
The archetypal Jungian notion of the puer aeternus (male) or (female) puella aeterna--the eternal child--provides the basis for what has come in pop psychology and self-help movements (see, for example, the writings of Dr. Eric Berne, Dr. Alice Miller, or John Bradshaw) to be known as the "inner child." What exactly is this so-called inner child? Does it truly exist? And why should we care?"
Dear sweet Tricia,
Me:" but both candidates succumbed to their inner children and the result was not effective for either candidate."
Sorry i did not use the more recognized wording "the inner child" but used the plural form "inner children".
When we talk about the inner child or the wounded child, the correct psychological terminology for a major part of all of our innermost psychological personality components which come out in different situations throughout our lives for recognition and healing.
Under stress and when arguing with others, we all resort in frustration to using emotions and language such as was used last night. But the fact that we all do it and even pick up another's energy and respond in a similar fashion--name calling, put downs, etc. are examples of such a response by each of our own wounded inner child or pleural those wounded "inner children".
But yes, Joe Biden was obviously triggered and considering the energies at the time I also believed he did the best he could at the time.
However it wasn't the best he can do nor should do as a presidential candidate wanting and needing to rise above his opponents inappropriate behaviors.
Essential Secrets of Psychotherapy : The Inner Child | Psychology
PS
Love you Tricia no offense taken by the misunderstanding. ???
RE:
I respectfully agree with most of what you said, except I do not feel that Biden acted like a child. I think (given the circumstances) he did the best anyone could with what he was given.