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@jeanne-mayell  When teaching political science, I used to argue that a politician with integrity no matter the party was always the best choice even when one didn't agree with him or her on every issue.  I've seen nothing since those days that suggest I was wrong.  



   
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@seeker4:

I agree that it's pure evil. Heartless and soulless.

I did hear Joe Scarborough mention this morning that the conspiracy theory about the death of Lori Klausutis originated many years ago with some left-wing groups.  He didn't mention their motivation, but I'm assuming they were going after Scarborough when he was in Congress.  Scarborough said the story was then adopted by a Republican senatorial candidate, then by the left again, and then some far right groups, to where we are today. 



   
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Trump's threat to shut down social media for fact checking his lies is a sign of where he is going.  This rampage against any publications that check him, like his firing of the last five Inspector Generals, is so dangerous, but it is expected. https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/politics/donald-trump-twitter-threat-regulate/index.html



   
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@jeanne-mayell  When teaching political science, I used to argue that a politician with integrity no matter the party was always the best choice even when one didn't agree with him or her on every issue.  I've seen nothing since those days that suggest I was wrong.  

What you say makes sense, in theory.  Every politician deserves to be evaluated in their own right.

That said, from 2016 onward  the Republican party is a rogue party that requires that its members go along with policies that are destroying lives and our world -- with foreign interference in our elections, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, free sale of guns killing 30,000 people a year, racism, the caging of immigrants and their children, and the denial of climate change, and more.  

So when you say, no matter what party, of course nothing is absolute.  But you are going to have a hard time finding a Republican congressman, governor, or presidential candidate who is leading our world anywhere but off a cliff.

 

 

 



   
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Politicians with integrity can't survive in the republican party. It's an insurgent force right now, and it's only goal is to win at all costs. The objective is to redistribute government money to the rich, and if women and people of color are oppressed along the way, better yet.

It's a Frankenstein's monster right now, but it's been decades in the making. A lot of apparently reasonable people with integrity enabled it to come to this. Maybe they didn't realize what they were doing, but they are still responsible.

I often wondered why I would feel such dread any time a republican won an election, no matter what office. I first noticed this as a teenager, in the Reagan 80's. I now understand why.



   
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In the video I saw of him on Memorial day, T couldn't control his right arm. Does anyone think it's either Tardive Diskinesia, Parkinsons, Dementia (or both Parkinsons and dementia) or just stimulants/meds?

 



   
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@jeanne-mayell  That's actually my point.  So far, my theory holds.  The never--Trump Republicans voted knowing Trump was corrupt.  And, it cost us millions. And, probably history will show that it cost them thousands of seats nationally because of Trump's damage to the party.   Had they decided that in 2016 to vote for integrity over issues, Trump would not have cost us millions upon millions in his corruption and required investigations.  Same with Nixon.  Many Republicans knew he was dishonest because he always had been.  Had they decided to sacrifice issues for integrity (Humphrey and McGovern were both men of integrity), millions would not have been spent on impeachment.  However, the bottom line is that this party lacks honest men and women down the line because the honest ones have left the party:  Steve Schmidt, Jennifer Rubin, George Will, Richard Lugar, Rick Wilson, Joe Scarborough, Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, Charles Fried, David Brooks, Bill Kristoll and many more are all Republicans who have pledged to hold their nose and vote for Biden--integrity over party.  Trump's Republican party is definitely a rogue party so how a responsible Republican can vote for him is beyond me.  The keyword being responsible.



   
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There is a rumor going around that T is going to sign an executive order on social media. 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/B475BF00-A06B-11EA-BFCD-94D20850D27A

I am sure there is more pressing matters at the moment...like 100,000 American have died. 



   
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@triciact

His posture, balance issues, wobbling and holding his arm strongly reminded me of Parkinsonism.

"Parkinsonism is a clinical syndrome characterized by tremor, bradykinesia, rigidity, and postural instability. It is found in Parkinson's disease, after which it is named, dementia with Lewy bodies, Parkinson's disease dementia, and many other conditions."



   
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@jessi1978 no chance of that going through. As much as we've trashed the Constitution, I think the first amendment may still be intact. He's always threatening things like that.



   
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