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[Closed] The Great Unraveling and the Great Turning - Rebuilding a Progressive America in the Future

(@sistermoon)
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I tried to post this in the Trump/Unraveling thread, but it seems like the topic was locked? Could be a bug on my end.

At any rate, DC District Court Judge Reggie Walton has the unredacted Mueller Report and, as I understand it, he may release the contents to the public if he finds we have been misled. His review should start as soon as court reopens -- tomorrow.

Sending light to Judge Walton for the just progression of this case.



   
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(@jeanne-mayell)
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@sistermoon, That thread is closed because it got too long and slowed up the site.  You can post here!



   
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For anyone wondering if Agent Orange were planning to cancel the November election, by all means let him.

then on january 20th, by law, he would no longer be president. it is pretty unambiguous in the constitution that he would not be president anymore. he could claim to still be president, but he wouldn't be president. i realize nothing matters anymore, but like, there's definitely a lot of people who would stop listening to him once he is legally no longer the president. there might be kicking and screaming but like... look how Maximilian I of Mexico got taken out in 1867. the rebels bribed one of the guards, snuck in and arrested the dude. one way or another the dude is getting dragged out of there.

after the president is removed the order of succession kicks in.

#2 is mike pence. he's out too, same reason.

#3 is nancy pelosi. however, if there was no election, there would be no house of representatives, and likely no speaker of the house. so she's out too. the constitution says the only way to fill a vacancy in the house is through an election, so there's no way around that one.

#4 is the president pro tempore of the senate, which is the longest serving member of the majority party. currently, that's chuck grassley. but 1/3 of the senate will be up for reelection. if 1/3 of the senators are missing, the democrats would have a 33-30 majority.

but the process for replacing senators is different - in some states, the governor can appoint a senator of the governor's party. in some, the governor can appoint a senator so long as it's the same party as the outgoing senator. in some, there must be a special election.

that would mean the following seat changes:
alabama (dem -> rep)
colorado (rep -> dem)
kansas (rep -> dem)
kentucky (rep -> dem)
louisiana (rep -> dem)
maine (rep -> dem)
montana (rep -> dem)
new hampshire (dem -> rep)
oklahoma (rep -> vacant)
oregon (dem -> vacant)
rhode island (dem -> vacant)

this would leave us at democrats+independents 49, republicans 48. meaning the president pro tempore of the senate would be patrick leahy, d-vermont.

so by all means donald cancel the election. mitch loses his seat and some left-wing vermont old dude becomes president. not the one we wanted but meh good enough



   
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Posted by: @mas1581

mitch loses his seat and some left-wing vermont old dude becomes president. not the one we wanted but meh good enough

The general scenario you described will probably be complete chaos in practice, and it's not something I would actively hope for. But I still have to LOL at your closing two sentences.



   
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Here in Kentucky we have had protest for the last week.  It was announced this morning that we have had the highest increase in corona cases since this started.  Hopefully they are all trumpers.  I am beyond being shocked by how stupid people are.  

Also, the geat orange clown yesterday ripped into the FBI.  Someone on twitter posted that the FBI never forgets.  Let's hope  not!  



   
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Came across a great quote today:

We live in capitalism, its power seems inescapable - but then, so did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings. Resistance and change often begin in art. Very often in our art, the art of words.

--Ursula LeGuin



   
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@mas1581
Your chaotic view fits with what I've seen when we do our read the future thing. My visions changed over the last few months, and what I see now is total chaos, no one knows who the president even is, and then I see a dark room with someone being sworn in, Pelosi is there but not too happy. No inauguration...



   
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Concerned that protestors against governors who disagree with Trump have ties to Tea Party figures and the Betsy DeVos family https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/20/trumps-support-right-wing-protests-just-got-more-ugly-dangerous/

Excerpt: "Organizers of this new movement include tea-party figures and have ties to the wealthy DeVos family, which at least raises the question of whether right-wing business interests are helping organize the protests, as with the tea party."



   
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@jeanne-mayell

Not from my intuition, but this all makes perfect sense. Putin wants to create unrest around the world, and Twitler is his puppet, so it's right out of the Russia covert ops playbook to foment an insurgency in the US using oligarch money.



   
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@jeanne-mayell, regarding the protests against governors:  the minute I heard about it, I sensed it was orchestrated by powerful, wealthy right-wing interest groups.  But I had forgotten about DeVos and her powerful family.  And when you look at the power of social media, it's so easy to quickly mobilize groups of people.  I'll just leave it there; I don't want my imagination and fears to run riot.  

I'm really pissed off with T's "liberation" tweets.  He is encouraging citizens to take up arms.  What makes matters worse here in Virginia was his reference to the Second Amendment being “under siege,” where Gov. Northam just signed into law a number of gun-safety bills.  

I actually woke up angry about EVERYTHING that is going on.  Maybe I just need to feel angry for a while.

Truth be told, I feel quite disjointed. Is that part of my own Great Unraveling and Great Turning?  If so, it ain't pleasant!



   
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