After seeing the photos of "zip tie guy" - the man dressed in tactical gear with a fist full of zip-cuffs and a stun gun on his hip - it occurred to me that maybe the plan all along was to take hostages so Trump would have an excuse to declare martial law and stay in power as a result.
Completely agree. Some police standing by and allowing it, Trump's refusal to call National Guard, stealing of laptops, plans to take hostages, rioters knowing workspaces aside from congressiinal.offices, etc was all orchestrated and planned with inside help. Who on the inside helped, I dont know, but there was help.
@walden-ponderer I just want you to know that you are not alone, dealing with strong anxiety and panic attacks. I share these things with you. You write beautifully, even in this anxious time. Thank you for your post.
it was much more horrific and violent than first portrayed. I sense that may have been intentional. Too many videos shot and shared forced all to see just how violent it was. I saw one where the drug the body of the fallen policeman down the concrete steps and outdoors and continued to beat and abuse his dead body. He was gone and brain dead when they took him to the hospital to put him on life support until his family could come to him. It is my fervent prayer that everyone there be found and held accountable for what they did there that day. A clear and strong signal to all who would try to destroy our Democracy. I pray that Justice track them down swiftly and that our legal system moves to hold them fully accountable for sedition. I also pray our incoming leaders take all necessary actions to prevent and change what needs to change to derail any future happenings like this. The delay in summoning the National Guard is not acceptable. The people who aided and abetted need to be charged. Rudy Giuliani needs disbarred and charged as an accomplice to sedition and murder. Bob Barr needs to be investigated for what he knows/when he knew it.... all of them!!! All of his Cabinet and staff.
It was worse than anybody realized at the time, it was a miracle that the congress people were safe long enough for reinforcements. There was a vision from someone saying that a giant angel was protecting the Capital, I guess this was the result.
@walden-ponderer Crows to me are a bad sign. Last Tuesday, I went to Tulsa. Coming back, Three crows walked ,in a line (much like the Beatles) cross the road in front of me. I wondered what bad things were coming for me, but maybe it wasn't for me.
I agree with you. My rage at the situation has been fueled by the hypocricy that the Republicans continue to show even when faced with this unprecedent attack on our nation by a bunch of domestic terrorists.
After months of allowing Trump to threaten Republican officials, try to change the vote totals, and send false cases to the courts, the Republicans dare to call for healing and unity NOW?! How dare they demand that we hold off holding Trump accountable for his crimes! How dare they play politics with this!
We know Pence won't do anything. So Pelosi is going to impeach Trump this week. Now, McConnell will put this off as long as possible because he thinks that if the Democrats get bogged down with the impeachment proceedings, then it will harm Biden's ability to get his cabinet in. But he forgets that he is the minority leader now. Once the time comes, Schumer will ensure a vote, and he can do it on his terms. But what is important is that every single Republican will now have to vote. Their vote will be public record.
This incident on January 6 will not go away. It will be discussed for the next two years at least as many are brought before various hearings to discuss Trump's actions and their roles in them. The FBI and the people in charge of national security will welcome Biden because (1) he actually listens to them and (2) through Biden, they will have free reign to go after Trump and his allies.
People are worried about Trump supporters. And yes, they are a threat. But they are also a threat we can handle. But we must be stern. Every single instigator must be found, tried, and convicted for their role. It doesn't matter as long as they are convicted of a felony, which will ensure that they can't vote again until they take the necessary steps to regain their votes. For example, if someone involved in this incident gets ten years, then they can't vote until the ten years are up, and only then if they pay the hefty legal fees and fines for their cases (which will run into the thousands).
Think of it. Tens of thousands of Trump voters being kept from voting for the next few years.
Which begs the question-why would the Republican party try to pander to them.
Lawrence,
I was looking for a posting of yours from several days ago regarding T. being indicted soon, but I can't find it now.... I think you and I have always agreed that he is indicted under seal, along with his kids...is this something you see happening right after he is gone from office?
But simply prosecuting the Trump supporters aren't enough. We need to make them afraid of us. For example, Biden can announce a task force that will go after "pro-trump terrorists." Now, I live amongst Trump supporters. On January 5, I saw twenty pro-Trump banners outside various houses. Today, I drove in front of those same houses, and only two of them were still up.
No, I don't think these Trump supporters had a change of heart. The truth is that they are afraid.They know that the FBI will soon be coming for them and are now actively deleting their Facebook posts and trying to look as meek as possible. They truly fear that they could be tied to terrorism charges, especially the ones that encouraged calls to violence.
Amazing what happens when one is threatened with federal jail time!
Now, I am for healing this nation like every one else. But the sad truth remains that we can't afford to be kind and forgiving in a world that they (Trump and supporters) created. To show any mercy (letting these people go with a slap on the wrist and saying "they learned their lesson) is tantamount to slitting our own throats. We begged Republicans for reconciliation for years. When we were in power, we showed them respect, and they threw it back in our faces. We showed them deference, and they show us contempt. They stay silent and secretly rejoice in our pain, even when the pain that Trump inflicted was being used on members of their own party.
We need to make these people resign and/or force them from office. And as long as Trump has power of any sort, he will continue to harm us, so he must be incarcerated to ensure that this doesn't happen again. We saw what happens when we give mercy to these people. For our children's sake, we can't do so anymore.
If they want mercy, then they need to forsake their foolish ways and help us build this country back in a bipartisan manner. No more blocking bills. No more false outrage and lies. No more demanding their followers commit acts of harassment and violence on us. Otherwise, they can get out of our way.