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(@dannyboy)
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@pegesus @allyn I will underscore what Pegasus said above but I’m on my phone so I can’t quote properly with my sausage fingers.  Keep the eye on the overall outlook we’ve seen.

one thing I got while shopping for groceries today of all places (Aldi is a meditative experience for me sometimes and I’m not joking) right after reading your post was a strong “ENOUGH!” - the first thing I’ve gotten in a few weeks (anyone into astrology - are we out of retrograde yet?). It was in reference to your post and it was sort of like a teacher whose class was too rowdy finally yelling it out to quiet then down.  The louder the Qs are getting about election integrity and fighting back the more they push others away.

Biden isn’t nailing it in the polls (not that I think polling is anywhere near as accurate as it used to be) but 84 million people voted for him BEFORE all the Big Lie and insurrection.  If it’s between TFG and a broom handle in 2024 it’s “Broom-handle by a landslide” 



   
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(@allyn)
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@pegesus and @dannyboy

Thank you both for your comfort.  It is so draining to live in a state where people worship Trump merely because he "owns the libs" even though the vast majority of them can't ever name an instance where a "lib" has done them any harm and thus can only spout off Fox jargon whereas I have personally witnessed many overt acts of cruelty by these so-called conservatives.  Sadly, it is not as simple as turning off Fox or avoiding the media.  These people live and breath Trump so much that it is hard for me to see them as humans and not a threat to America's and my existence.  

Speaking of Trump, I just saw where he issued a statement demanding that the Republican party fully endorse his lie that he won 2020 or he would tell his followers not to vote in 2022 and 2024.

I am willing to bet there are many republicans who would happily cheer if Trump left.  How sad that a man would turn his inner light into darkness and try to kill the light in others. 

I just wish that I had faith that he will eventually lose his influence and leave us in peace.  But the fear of his return and what he will do to us chills me to the core.

I pray for something to give me hope that Trump will never run again, but I doubt that an indictment or conviction will keep him from doing so.  



   
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(@dannyboy)
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@allyn I am surrounded by them too - but while his flags and yard signs haven’t come down I’m seeing and feeling this “fed up” feeling coming from people without the yard signs.  We’re still on a bumpy dirt road but there’s smoother asphalt ahead.

is anyone keeping count of my metaphor usage in this topic?  I’ve got to be at 12 by now. 



   
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(@cindy)
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@allyn, @dannyboy, I too live in an area where there are many hanging on to TFG like hanging chads. A few weeks ago I was on my way into the neighborhood before mine as I was going home. A new sign was mounted in the bed of a parked pick up truck. It was a Mango 2024 endorsement. Suddenly, I saw in my minds eye TFGs face now on the words only sign & the numbers 2024 move under the face positioning themselves like they were part of a mug shot. I laughed out loud in the car. I don't know if this was phrophetic or if I was just seeing a meme that may crop up. Either way I appreciated the chuckle.

While I don't read or listen to the man (since the Apprentice), I have to say I'm still hearing Rupert Holmes...."if you have half a brain". This was his official statement yesterday. Let this sink in...



   
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(@maggieci)
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I'm beginning to get the feeling that instead of a Blue Wave, in 2022 and beyond we will see what I call a Purple Train.

Sane Republicans will join sane Democrats in voting for those who demonstrate care for people. It will be like an iron will that will inevitably grind and overwhelm those who cling to white supremacy and hate. Over the next few election cycles we will see this unstoppable force for peace.



   
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(@dannyboy)
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@maggieci I read an article that I spent most of the morning trying to find again about this exactly.  I believe it came from the LA Times via my Apple News subscription but it isn't showing up in my history.

The premise was slightly different - they see the rational republicans (are there any anymore?) voting for more moderate Republican candidates thus diluting the pool and making it easier for Democrats to win.  But it's also coming from the LA Times which isn't exactly a bastion of center political commentary.

I think both scenarios are equally plausible.  I just hope we don't get more Kyrsten Sinema's and Joe Manchin's.  



   
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(@polarberry)
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@cindy 

Did you come up with that? Bravo! ? 

I think Baba's recent prediction of Steve Bannon in handcuffs/arrested is going to come true.



   
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(@lovendures)
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Just my 2 cents here.  

There are many polls being conducted about how Republicans and Democrats are thinking of voting or think about current political situations.

Not many polls are including Independents.  Many former Republicans are now Independents.  There are also former Democrats as well. I believe they are the purple who should be garnering attention. What shade of purple they lean will be very important. It is also worth considering which states allow Independents to vote for primary party candidates.   In the states allowing Independents to choose a Dem or Rep candidate in a primary, you may see less extreme candidates survive to a general November election. This would be likely up and down the ballot.

I also am watching  and reading less and less news coverage and analysis of politics.  I am remaining informed but don't want the constant negativity surrounding me.

The protest factor.

I believe that we are likely to see MORE protests once covid is tampered down. In particular marches or protests involving more Democratic centered issues.  Why?  Well I know many people who have not wished to protest anything while covid has been a concern.  With booster shots available and a children's vaccine on the horizon, more people will likely be inclined to MARCH for a cause. It will be less dangerous.  Those concerned about covid tend to lean democratic.  I have not been to a protest march or rally or even a walk-a-thon or fundraising event since before Covid.  That is one thing I would love to do again, once things get more calm with the virus. Show up in person and support a cause I feel passionately about.

How do I feel about the November 2022 election?  

Right now I believe it will ultimately swing blue, but a purple blue. I also believe we may have to wait a awhile for final results.  This is coming from a mixture of logic and intuition. Ultimately the fact that I am not overly concerned tells me either I should not be worried (yet?) or I have other things to focus on which are more important at this time.  Perhaps focusing on certain issues which speak most to me should be a priority now.  Also, creating additional positive impacts in my home and local community is where I am being pulled.  

You know,  I will likely have a greater impact on an undecided or independent voter if I am grounded and coming from a place of love rather than upset and fear.  

Again, just my 2 cents.

 



   
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(@cindy)
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@polarberry I saw someone use part of it on twitter & I just expanded it.  Who knew that a day later, the former twittler in brief would prove the last line so well? And you are right about @baba 's prediction probably coming true. Congress has set a hearing date of 10/19 for Bannon's criminal contempt.



   
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(@allyn)
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Well, some legal news concerning our (favorite?) orange pain in the you-know-where.  (There are ladies and gentlemen on this site, after all).

First, Trump must appear for a deposition on "October 18, 2021 at 10 a.m. ... or, in the event of illness or emergency, on another mutually agreed to date on or before October 31, 2021," as per the judge's order in the case.

Now, what can Trump do to delay this, as he does not want to have a video-taped deposition about how his security personal beat up protestors in 2015 because they were protesting the fact that Trump referred to all Mexicans as "criminals and rapists"?

Actually....there is not much he can do.

I saw that the judge set a specific date and then, for good measure, limited the amount of time for Trump and company to reschedule the deposition if they try to claim an emergency or illness on October 18.  Very, very smart.

Now, Trump can't really claim an emergency will prevent him from attending unless he fakes one ("Sorry, your Honor, but Trump Jr. fell down a flight of stairs after I sent people to push him and....oh, I didn't say that!  Fake news!")  He isn't the President anymore, and a golf game does not count as an emergency.

Trump could potentially fake an illness, but methinks he won't, as it goes against his "macho man" image (not to mention it would fuel Democratic talk that Trump is physically unfit to be President a second time.)  Don't forget, this is a man who tried to hide the fact that he got a colonoscopy done in 2019 and tried to be all secretive about it.

Finally, there is the old tried-and-true method of "file a frivolous motion to delay."  Trump will likely try this, because he has done it millions of times.  It doesn't matter if his motions are total works of fiction.  What matters is that he gets his delay.

However, he has a problem.  His case is in New York.  And I don't foresee how Trump can get the case heard by the US Supreme Court this time.



   
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