Thanks Rain, for this info. I went to Union Theological Seminary in the 1980s, it's the most radical seminary in the US (Cornel West taught there for a while), and is trustworthy. Also have seen and heard Rev. William Barber, head of the Poor People's Campaign and Moral Mondays. A *phenomenal* man, a 21st century MLK Jr, but more gender/sexual/racial-ethnic intersectional and anti-capitalist in his analysis and activism.

To all of you:  I don't often post on this site, but I come here often and it gives me such solace and hope in these turbulent times. To all of you, deep enduring thanks.

I can't say I am psychic, though I am intuitive.  In the last three weeks, I keep getting the same image of Trump. Actually, it's not just an image, but kinesthetic. I feel what I am seeing: It's early am in the White House, he gets out of bed, tangles up at his legs, caught and awkward, stumbles and falls. Then it repeats. And repeats, like caught a loop. The fall is a big thump. He can't get up, calls out but since the door is locked (he locks it from the inside), no one can get to him easily.   I can project alot onto this image, but will just leave what I see.

Just so everyone is clear. The EO of today does not represent: a change of heart, capitulation, bowing to pressure. What it represents is pure, cold political calculation.

This is how Cheetolini works: Do something atrocious, whip up the masses, appease the base. Meanwhile, push through other nefarious acts while no one is watching. Then pretend to concede without really conceding anything.

The new order is to jail families together, INDEFINITELY, IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS.  Which is illegal (google "Flores rule"). AND the children who have already been separated from family will NOT be reunited. They are being disappeared into the foster care systems around the country, notably in Michigan, Kansas.

 The devil is in the details. 

that signing today was all for show. The separated children will not be reunited and if after 20 days if a person hasn't been processed then their children will be taken again.

Melania Trump contacted Secret Service after Peter Fonda tweets

"WE SHOULD RIP BARRON TRUMP FROM HIS MOTHER’S ARMS AND PUT HIM IN A CAGE WITH PEDOPHILES AND SEE IF MOTHER WILL WILL STAND UP AGAINST THE GIANT ASSHOLE SHE IS MARRIED TO. 90 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE STREETS ON THE SAME WEEKEND IN THE COUNTRY. F---," he wrote on Twitter.

Too bad Melania didn't respond like this when all those other children were being taken. Please keep all these separated children in the light. there are some rumors that some are being sold into slavery. I know this is probably just rumor but God only knows with these people. If not all the children and parents are reunited we will never know if this is what happened to them.

One more thing: 2 families are suing the gov't. for injecting their very young children with drugs. It is posted in a few places and on Snopes.

So many aspects of this situation are alarming.  In late April DHS admitted to Congress that more than 7,000 unaccompanied minors had been placed with "sponsors" since October, and 1,500 of those youths are missing.  And, I just followed R1's link to  https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/bondfund, where the site explains that "immigrants placed in detention can't get released from ICE custody to reunite with their families until they pay the full amount of their immigration bond. Bonds are set at a MINIMUM of $1500, and are usually in the range of $5-10K, even for asylum seekers without any criminal history. Unlike in the criminal system, bail bond companies either do not help people in immigration proceedings or impose very strict requirements, like private ankle monitors (which families have to pay to "rent")."  The horror of this situation just never ends!

I like keridad’s vision of trump getting all tangled up in himself. Thank you Keri dad for coming forward!  

This whole episode which is still not over, has said so much to me about individuals and their capacity for empathy for people they don’t know.

I always wondered how Rachel Maddow was able to keep such a strong exterior when reporting about trump. She’s very intuitive and sees trump and his sycophants clearly. But I’ve always felt she could handle all this negative news so much better than I can, until I her breakdown live on camera, knowing she did not want to do that while reporting, I says much about her. 

Then there were the trump family reactions. :-(  None of them showed any feelings for the victims, just concern about appearance.  The GOP — concern about votes. 

So now we know what those "FEMA CAMPS"  are for. Not for emergencies, but housing those who are in some way unwanted and unwelcome by the Government. All those who raised the issue of the camps, were told that they were "Conspiracy theorists", and that they needed psychiatric assessment and treatment. It actually turns out that it is the President of the United States who needs secure hospitalization. God help us all. The  USA has turned into a madhouse.  So in these "Detention centers", some families will be held, some children will remain incarcerated In private childrens prisons, some will remain "Disappeared" and might never be found, seized children are being forcibly injected with drugs.....(why?...what for?). and much else. Some suicides have already happened. What else is to come?......I have had fleeting glimpses of the coming protests. They will be ignored, and also attract right-wing attention in dangerous ways. But thank God that some people are standing up, and bearing witness. The last time this happend, was in the sixties. 

Zoron, I think in some ways protests are more for the people protesting. Dunno if you've ever marched, but there is something of an energy in the air, a feeling of solidarity and not being alone in your horror about an awful situation.

Experienced protesters know that the media may be instructed not to report on a protest, or that numbers will be reported far lower than the real number...or that the FBI will have undercover agents shoving cameras in your face for closeups in their files...or that hundreds of state and national agencies will swarm a protest working out new crowd control measures like 'kettling'...or that protestors will be hauled away and bound with bags over their heads in stress positions for hours, only to be dumped barefoot out of town without money or phones. Experienced protesters teach survival and countermeasures. Right wing oppression only engenders more solidarity as the righteousness of the protest becomes clearer.

As to why children are forcibly injected with drugs, it's because of the policy to "avoid sexual abuse by avoiding touching" rule. Those penned children are not allowed to be touched, comforted or held. So they are wailing and sobbing and going into hysteria.  Easier to drug them than to listen to the sound of your own evil channeled through little throats.

R1

Karidad, I sort of get what you are saying.let us await events.

Runestone:  "Protestors will be hauled away and bound with bags over their heads in stress positions for hours, only to be dumped barefoot out of town without money or phones." In most countries, theycall this torture. Its a violation of international law.  It used to be done only to Guantanamo camp inmates. I now see that it has gone mainstream, in the USA, against American citizens. I think America is going through a tipping point.

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Zoron, everything I described there happened at the RNC08 convention. How do I know all this? I was there. I cleaned up a guy after that treatment, as a street medic. Shite has been going on for quite a while.  R1