Laura,
These are key books. In my own dealings with evil, they were a fundamental guide. I would say that what is unfolding today in America is following down the classical track of fascism. 40% 0f the population support Trump, (At the moment) but I think as it advances, some will fall away, and others will join. Its the usual pattern. The best will leave, the worst will join, attracted by the darkness. Roughly speaking, the hardcore is probably no more than 25%, but it is enough to turn America into Amerika. We are seeing a well understood and studied process here. At this stage, peaceful civil resistance is important. Where are public figures like Oprah in all this?......actually, if the Kardashians spoke out, it would have huge influence. (Yeah, I know, but we have to reach the masses, the base.) Silence, and avoidance, by public figures, when the fascist process gets to a ceertain stage, is vital to the fascists. The women who threw the Whitehouse staffers out of her Washington Restaurant was what everyone else should be doing. "GETTHEHELLOUTOFHERE" should be the slogan, every time they are spotted. Small, I know, but it has to start somewhere. If you are not saying that to them, then "You ain't Woke".
Been meditating on Senator . She is driven from the heart, has good instincts, but is struggling with the limitations of what she can do, right now. If Bernie ran and chose her for VEEP, it would work. If He does not run, then she should go for the Nomination. We should maybe do a deep scan on her, and the situation. RV, scanning, etc........can we do this Sunday, individually, and report back?. I will post on Zoron section and please reply there. It will be up later today, uk time.Thanks.
I am really distressed at what is going on. I did a quick meditation on the child situation.
What I got was:
The situation on the Children is a testing point. It's developing social cracks and fault lines, and it is not going to be resolved anytime soon. I see at Xmas, there are still missing children. The camps are functioning. A massive propaganda backlash will be launched by the right-wing media and opinion formers, to push back on the issue. It will stagnate and slowly fade from the news. Trump then moves on, to the next stage, to look for more victims to put in the camps. They fill with Latin refugees. A policy of "Detain and no release", and of " Hold for deportation" (which could take a very long time) is developed. The refugees will have been Palestinianised. The camps become embedded into the landscape of American society. Stage one accomplished.
The next stage approaches. Between now and 2020, I see hundreds of thousands trying to cross the border from the South, as the internal collapse of the central American States continues. The camps at least are comparatively safe, compared to what they left behind. Their situation is left unresolved, until a more progressive American Government, in the later twenties sorts it. "Problem contained".
The administration is doing, or announcing that it will do, or claiming is has the right to do, the following: detain asylum seekers indefinitely; change asylum law (by regulatory change, not be legislation) to make it impossible for most anyone to apply; reinterpret existing regulations to make it almost impossible for people to have their immigrant visas approved at foreign embassies and consulates, thus making it nearly impossible for people to immigrate to the US legally; change basic practices for people applying for several forms of immigration relief within the US so as to make it nearly impossible for those application to be approved, by deeming anyone a "public charge" or making it impossible for people to demonstrate "good moral character." Going forward almost anything can make a person subject to a finding of "public charge" thus forcing the denial of legitimate permanent residency applications. For those who can overcome this hurdle, the administration is going to begin imposing an impossibly hight standard of "good moral character," which is a requirement of almost every type of immigration relief. These latter two changes were just announced yesterday morning. Taken together they will make it impossible for people to assert a right to asylum, or almost any other way that people usually immigrate to the US legally, or seek legal status once in the US.
It's interesting that the right wing pilloried Obama when he instituted DACA by saying it was an abuse and outside his regulatory powers, and now what's happening is an expansion of regulations in a way that has been only done by legislation. It's stunning. It's not normal. No administration in the past, no matter how right wing, has ever done such a thing. But it's being done.
What is happening to immigrants now is brutal, but what is coming is savage. What is coming, unless there is a change of administration or the timelines change, is massive deportation on a scale we've never before seen. How much savagery will the American people support? How long will this go on? It's only just beginning and I fear not only for the most vulnerable, or for our sense of morality as a country, but for the pillars of democracy. This administration and its justice department are not constrained by any sense of propriety, by any sense of "this is just not done." The are not constrained by any norms. They are attempting to change polices in a way that in the past has only been done legislatively. The only constraints are the courts, and we're losing those too.
Sorry for the rant, and I hate to be a Cassandra, but unless something changes, and fast, what is coming is dark, ugly and savage.
I see that in the predictions that people will move away from the federal government, and it's already happening. I also see in the positive readings that there is a progressive movement rising from the darkness. I think the progressive movement help elected Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, which will likely win the seat in the midterms. Zoron saids that the GOP will nearly win, but end up splitting. I sense that the next supreme court pick will do a number of damages that will take time to reverse. Zoron, when you say later 2020s, would that be 2028 as many here have said? Even you said that everything will change for the better in 2022, leading to a female president in 2024.
Hi Zoron,
such horrifying visions. How does this future relate to your predictions of trump going down in a month? Does Pence continue this?
Anita
Laura I will add those books to my reading list and make an effort to write a book report, even though I haven't been in university for some time.
For years now I've struggled with coping with the indifference of the wider world to what is going on. I have a life history of standing up to bullies. When I was growing up I was bullied quite heavily in school for years. I remember over time learning to defend myself and have courage to stand alone against the world if I felt I was right. One lesson I learned from that experience was that there were plenty of people who did not bully me but watched the abuse from the sidelines, either being silent or pointing fingers and laughing as I was spitting up blood. Years later on facebook these same people would post anti bullying messages on their profiles and claim to be against all this - but I never got an apology, and I'm guessing I never will. During school reunions I am still treated badly by these people - who condescend and talk down to me - except now I respond with B**** please.
I saw a similar dynamic with my parents and still do. The women in my life would always stand up for their husbands against their daughters even when the husband was abusive. Somehow it was always the child's fault. I now roll my eyes at all this - but it was extremely painful as younger person to know that I couldn't trust my family.
I said all of the above as personal as it is because I want to illustrate a point. My life has taught me that most people are cowards, they pretend to be good people because they don't actively harm others. But through their silence, their indifference and their refusal to take actual risks for justice, they are just as guilty as the actual perpetrators of evil. This in my own experience is the banality of evil. In order to confront evil we have to look inside ourselves first, examine our own conscience and ego and see where we may have done wrong, and strive not to do so again and even to make amends to others if necessary. Most people are terrified of introspection because they cannot face what they will find out about themselves if they do look inwards, and so they stay silent, complicit and scared - cowards is my term for them.
And now I live my life thinking day and night about these kids, but also worrying about my own immigration status in the process. And yet everyone around me is their usual cheerful self - some even justifying what's going on. It's extremely hard to look at humanity with such bleak eyes.
My apologies for the above rant, and for getting too personal. Zoron I will do a scan this weekend and report about it.
Natalie - I believe that many of us with empath/intuitive/heart warrior skills had difficult childhoods. I was bullied in school and at home for years... I agree many people pretend to be doing the right thing, but hide behind a facade.
As for your "legal" status here in the US, I wouldn't recommend becoming a US citizen right now. DHS is already denying naturalizations that were done years ago to help states purge eligible, CITIZEN voters (google "Tennessee + voter purge + naturalized"). I know your husband is American. It's none of any of our business what passport/citizenship you carry, but IF you carry Canadian, there's worse places to be deported to, and then your husband would follow you - and to a better country at that. IF your citizenship lies elsewhere, but you had Canadian residency status, I'd look into getting that re-established.
lynnventura - my feeling is not mass deportations, rather mass enslavement. I keep seeing ICE guards telling prisoners "Shut up or else. Try to run, we'll shoot you. Remember that you're safer here than your home country. Get to work. Shut up."
Laura, I am having the same vision. The new camps are using the detained as forced labour. Its a strong vision, but has not actually happened yet. But I would rate it at 50% probability, at the moment, if this whole horror is not stopped. What stuns me is that many prominent Americans have not yet started to speak out. Why have Oprah and others remained silent. ? To be silent, is to be complicit.
I can't speak for prominent Americans, Zoron. I think some may be well-intentioned and rich enough to think that spending money quietly may help. When they do speak out (vide: Robert deNiro), they are derided as vulgar fools. Remember also that no one can underestimate the racism here. Oprah is very rich, but she's black, so 40% of the country could care less what she says. I'm disappointed in Obama - after promising the public that he wouldn't abandon us, that is what he has done - all he does is issue platitudes. There is also an annoying "keep it civil" faction on the left that is making things worse.We have more living past presidents alive now than ever, and I don't understand why they don't band together to speak out (or perhaps they were all more corporate puppets than we thought). I think it's time for prominents to flip tables over and chase money changers out of temples... Meanwhile, us hoi polloi are in the trenches.
Here is a link to the planned Abolish ICE event here in San Diego on Monday. Call specifically went out for white allies to take to the front lines. If you all don't hear from me Monday-Tuesday, it may be because I'm in jail (not kidding).
https://www.facebook.com/events/1980731938924066/
In case anyone has any doubts, I want you to understand that in ICE detention centers there is no medical care. I have heard first hand accounts from detainees themselves. If you're unclear as to why - allow me to answer that. It's because they are purging the weak from the "herd" (much as they did with Africans on slave ships). They only want able bodied people for the slave force (ooh - space force/slave force - only 2 letters difference).
From ACLU:
Death of Moises Tino-Lopez, Age 23
Medical Condition: 2 major seizures in 9 days while in immigration detention; second seizure so serious that officers moved Moises onto a mattress on the floor.
Response: Officers reported each seizure to nurse. Moises wasn't seen by a doctor nor taken for testing to determine a cause.
Outcome: 4 hours after his second seizure, Moises was found unresponsive. He never regained consciousness.
I understand the that we need more prominent Americans to speak up. I wish they would join together and do that.
That said, we need to refrain from denigrating the only positive leaders we have.
For example Obama has not been sitting on his ass doing nothing. He has devoted considerable post presidential effort towards turning around state legislatures, which is critical work.
The GOP is doing everything they can to destroy his memory and dismantle his work. They want him to fail in our eyes.
They’ve nearly succeeded in doing that to elizabeth Warren.
They slime progressive leaders’ by saturating the media with negativity about those who have been heroes.
They feed the collective conscience with criticisms. They did that to HIllary.
Their strategy is to break us by destroying our leaders and allies.
If we become exhausted or overwhelmed, we need to focus our anger squarely on the perpetrators not our allies and helpers.
Laura my citizenship and passport is Canadian. I hold a U.S. conditional green card based on marriage that expires in September unless I file to remove conditions which I've already done. My situation isn't scary just worrying. My father just became a U.S. citizen, but I don't really have an interest in doing the same.
I have been almost out of the loop for the past three days only to read Elizabeth Warren's report on the detention horrors. I feel like the wind waa knocked out of me. Traveling from Oregon to Alaska during this time period I had a strangely synchronjstic opportunity to find an almost choreographed exchange of airport travelers on either side of my husband and myself get up and walk away and another set of travelors (a mother and her 16 year old daughter asked to sit by us.
Interestingly, they were also traveling to Juneau, lived on my nearby childhood island home, knew my sister in law, brother, and nieces family members we were staying with.
They were Muslim, immigrants from Afganistan, and the older son in the family was interning in Washington DC. hoping to major in political science in college and devote his life towards helping those in the same situation as his own immigrant family.
They had lived in the US for 10 years and were still very scared to be traveling in there unparalled times. Literally traveling across America from DC to San Francisco, Seattle to Juneau in 24 hours to race back to their new home and away from TSA and security checks for fear something might happen to them, too.
Here I am now, in this place I love so much with 18 family members gathering for a huge potluck dinner, yet my heart filled with complex emotions about love of home, family, state and the pioneer spirit my family share growing up into Statehood with our once intense pride, patriotism, sense of cultural and national identity suddenly feeling so conflicted about everything we once held dear as Americans.
I can only believe with all my heart, with tears filling my eyes as I think of Sima and Soson, my new Afgan friends and so many countless more facing this time in history with us.
I could only think this time in history, as this is not who we are, this is not how we treat others, families, children, human beings wanting a home too.
We are better than this, we can reach out, make connection, share our hearts, help one another and stand up for what we believe in. We just have to.
I appreciate all of the information, Natalie, Laura, Lynn, Zoron, Jeanne and Anita and others; as just this one Internet visit brought me access to all that can happen with just a few days without news.
Heart warriors, indeed!
Thank you.
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Want to tell Laura F. and Lynnventura how grateful I am to you both for the work you do on this issue. You are on the front lines. You have kept us informed, up on where we can protest and donate, and I know you have been working hard even when your own hearts are breaking.
And all of you who have protested, volunteered, donated, or even just held these families in your heart-- you have my gratitude.
Yesterday was an amazing day of protest for the families.
There were protests in EVERY SINGLE state yesterday including conservative communities like Appalachia and Wyoming.
Here is the front page story in the Boston Globe. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/06/30/hundreds-thousands-march-across-protest-family-separation-policy/duMl12y3KbkuvXZ1D6InyL/story.html
At Trump's golf resort where he was staying in NJ they gathered: ‘‘Do you know where our children are?’’ one protester’s sign there asked.
Those protests sent a message. And many news stories about the separations keep emerging because we the people won't let up on our cries for those families.
I loved the signs that they highlighted in the article:
‘‘No more children in cages’’ and ‘‘What’s next? Concentration camps?’’ "Abolish ICE now!"
If ICE continues to take on an SS/ gestapo- like reputation, it will affect people's willingness to work for them.
One story that emerged gave me the feeling that the for-profit organizations who are building these facilities have adoption services in mind. There is a shadow group (just psychically thinking about this) who want to sell some of these kids. It's a lucrative business. And I wonder if it is legal since the parents left their kids behind to go back. We have to keep the pressure up until every single child is accounted for.
The kidnapping of these children (because that's what it is) is being litigated precisely because it's unconstitutional. Undocumented immigrants have constitutional rights (at least they still, who knows how the courts will rule in the future). There is a constitutional right to having your child in your custody unless you have done something to endanger your child, and even then you MUST BE AFFORDED DUE PROCESS AND THE RIGHT TO COUNSEL. A federal district court judge in California has ordered the administration to return all children to their parents with 30 days. I expect this won't happen on time, but at least for now the administration isn't appealing this ruling, which gives me hope.
Still, as Zoron and others have predicted, this is not only awful but will get worse. There's big money in jailing the adults and also big money that goes to resettlement agencies and foster care agencies to house the children. What's happening is a crime against humanity. What happens going forward is up to all of us -- call your congressman, demonstrate, tweet, re-tweet, donate to legal services organizations that provide assistance to immigrants, especially the ones close to the border. Those are on the front-front lines and they are small non-profits thus need resources. RAICES is a good one. Also the ACLU because it's handling all the federal litigation. (FYI -- I don't work for any of these.)
Will this end? I honestly don't see it ending soon. Zoron thinks it will get worse. I'm too close to this to get any clear impressions. But this is a human rights emergency, and the U.S. is becoming a pariah state for what it is doing. Made worse by the fact that none of this in necessary. It's all being done because of sheer cruelty and concocted reasons. There is no immigration emergency except for the one the administration has created.
Jeanne - my pleasure, really.
I've been feeling a lot of despair this week, I'm "low on spoons" and having a rough time. Coming on here to convene with like minds is very much a help. That and a long hike I did with hubby (followed by a decadent Thai meal). I am avoiding Facebook like the plague...
I am going to go to the local action here tomorrow, they have settled on 2 tracks: yellow - for those who want to march and be vocal but not get arrested and/or who are bringing kids; red - for those who want to engage in further acts of civil disobedience and likely get arrested. Thanks to my fatigue, I missed training sessions for the "red" track, so I won't be getting arrested. Several close friends of mine will also be on the "yellow" track. So I will be in good company. I'm too tired to go to the sign-making and meet-up locally tonight. ROSIEHEART - will you be at Chicano Park tomorrow morning? I think I will be among or beside the UU contingent...
I will let everyone know how this event goes. Thanks to all of you for following along on this issue. Going forward I plan to focus on registering voters, phone banking, and helping folks get to polls if needed. I threw one tarot card for this November's elections, and it came up Seven of Wands. I'm beginner level on tarot, but I think that it represents heroism in the face of struggle (?) with a successful outcome (?).
Big hugs and peace to all of you, I value our online community so much!
Hi, I am Rick. I am new here. Laura, can people show up to the protest in Chicano Park? If so, I am 3-4 hours away and there is nothing near me. Is it open arrival? If so, can I help and go on yellow line? I have no signs, but I want to participate.
I have been lurking on this site for a few months now reading everything. I can't hardly take it anymore. It's time I participated as I feeling the need to do something.
Oh, Jeanne, once again, all I have to do is visit here and everything I've missed from being off on a hike or a boat with my Alaskan family reunion, This site reconnects me with what's happening to my universal world family all over the state's, as those of us who grew up in territorial Alaska called the lower 48, and my tribe here.
My emotions are so close to the surface now that my heart and my eyes well up with tears just reading your post, Jeanne;but this time with immense pride in the resistance for inclusion
Here, in Juneau it was the March Against Family Separation:
So proud of all of these marchers, all of this news, all of the joining of heart and hands across America and the world. I remember at the last Predictions Viewing seeing this huge surge and knowing marches would escalate. When it wasn't immediate, i just thought my timing must be off once again.
Thank goodness for goodness, for spiritual warriors and warfare. I am far away in body only but one in spirit.
Love, love, love my tribe.
Michele, thank you for your heart-swelling words.
Rick, thank you for what you wrote: I can hardly take it anymore. It's time I participated , as I'm feeling the need to do something. Your words are healing. Protest marches are SOOOOO uplifting. The days I've spent in recent years were in marches. It is so uplifting to be with a mass of like-minded humanity. You feel sane again. Empowered. You feel community and that's what we need more than anything right now.
If anyone knows of any marches in Massachusetts or within 150 miles coming up, please let me know. I need one. Hell, I'll drive further if need be. A Declaration of Independence march.
Regarding finding a progressive leader -- Give me a leader who can unite everyone and I don't care if he or she says some things I don't like. I just want someone who can unite us all into action. We need to stick together. The GOP wants to divide us. Putin wants to divide us. The oligarchs want to divide us. Divide and conquer.
Elizabeth Warren would be an awesome leader. Look at her record. I'd love to see her with Bernie. Her visit to the detention centers was the most eye opening of all. That's her style. It's called telling the truth. She grew up working class. They both are truth sayers. And There are other good leaders. Kamala Harris, Schiff. Perhaps someone else will emerge.
But understand that the GOP will double down on whoever is a front runner. So we need to unite and not take the bait. We need to overwhelm their negativity by throwing all of our support to our front runner. So you didn't like Hillary and you got Donald Trump. Hillary was status quo. Trump is fascism. Camps. The end of health care, education, social security, and mostly the end of the environment which is global extinction. I wanted Bernie, but I would have taken Hillary any day. And I'll take any progressive any day who can unite us.
Truth will win in the long run.
Here's my mantra -- Progressives unite.