Anita, the midterm elections and after them, the fall of Trump, will provoke when Trump falls, a massive right-wing backlash. This, in turn, will be responded to by the left, and the mass of people who have just absolutely had enough. Expect some violence. It will look awful on the TV news.
And what do we do when the government ignores this ruling, the way they ignored the the exec. signing to stop separating the children?
Thank you, Zoron. I was fearing the sane people would fall to the ones who believe they are the patriots. I can see violence ahead with hacked elections. Today trump reiterated that he doesn’t believe they meddled. That means they did and still are.
i anticipate rights for women and workers and LGBT being lost as a Supreme Court conservative further destroys the country.
A justice who should have never been made possible to break the tie.
i can’t tell if those excited about the likely end of Roe vs Wade will realize their focus on one issue is causing the loss of a free country, well, freer than many.
The mistakes with locking up immigrants and separating them might save journalists from disappearing, but I can see his having done that. He will likely get his orders from Putin at their summit.
i dont have the abilities as you and many others here, but this is how I see things could precede. People tried to calm me using the checks and balances claim, but there are no longer any as most of the GOP has put their desires for power and fears of
having to be true patriots above saving our country.
Anita
This is now moving into a new area, the present situation has now become a crisis, with the children, etc....but the Trump regime will be in for a surprise. Over the next four weeks, watch the TV news.
As if it couldn't get much worse or more ludicrous, the feds are ordering immigrant toddlers to appear in court alone for their own deportation proceedings. One lawyer described how a three year old "defendant" was climbing on top of the table during the court preceding, obviously too young to have any clue what was going on.
This is utterly disgusting. In most jurisdictions, there are minimal ages of criminal responsibility. A young child cannot be prosecuted, if they are too young to understand the issues, and cannot make a response. apparently, in the USA, they now have criminals as young as 3. Simply unbelievable. This is now descending into horror. I also notice, no moves seem to have been made, to even get together a basic list of the disappeared. ICE officials are violating international law, and are committing crimes against humanity. How can they stand there, in court, with a tiny child in their control, and treat them as criminal defendents. The horror, the horror. Darkness has descended on America.
I don't know if they are considering the child a criminal. That's why I put the word "defendant" in quotes. It's a deportation hearing that requires that the child appear without a parent (because the child has been separated from the parent) and it requires that the child has a lawyer. Perhaps Lynn would know what legal terminology they use for the child. My guess is that they don't have the means to efficiently link the child with the parent because they separated them, put them on airplanes, and have lost the paperwork. Many parents were deported. All they have is a child somewhere in a foster care facility. No parent. So perhaps this is all they can do. But that's just my guess. One other horrible thing they did was to initially use the children as hostages to get the parents to quickly plead guilty to criminal charges of coming into this country illegally.
Yes, it's a Heart of Darkness moment in U.S. history.
Deportation proceedings are considered civil proceedings, so the kids aren't being charged as criminals, only as deportable. However, because the proceedings are civil the kids aren't entitled to a court-appointed attorney. They can have a lawyer but they must pay for one or try to find free legal services, or appear alone. Seriously. As horrifying as this all sounds, it's been going on forever. I've seen little kids in immigration court before, I represent some of them. And there is legal relief for many of them, if they are considered unaccompanied minors, but that isn't the real problem. The real problem is this wave of little ones have been separated from their parents deliberately. They were made unaccompanied minors by the government forcibly separating them from parents seeking asylum. The gov't arrested the parents instead of allowing them to seek asylum and they did this to jail them thus necessitating separation from their kids, all with the purpose of terrorizing them. It's deliberate and sickening crimes against humanity.
I know we all have to find a way to live in this new world of ours, I just don't know how to do it. Just when you think you've adapted to the horror, something new and even more vile presents itself. It is inhuman, and the people running this country are monsters.
Thank you, Lynn. Agree with everything you and Zoron are feeling. Sending love to you and everyone who is suffering for those children and their parents, and for those children themselves. Those little ones are our souls, our hearts, our hope. Sending them love. I cannot imagine the pain the parents are feeling.
I too sense something in the offing Zoron. Russia’s internal problems are deepening. This is going to demand attention soon. It will divert from Putin’s machinations internationally.
Expect some indictments soon. I feel Stone and Cohen. Perhaps a surprise as well... could be Prince. Or someone off radar.
I haven't logged in for a while, but I have been reading this thread recently. I'm deeply saddened at where our country is headed right now. My husband and I will be attending a small protest on Saturday. It helps me to know that people all over the United States will be attending events at the same time as our protest.
Thanks again for the site, Jeanne.
Pickle and mayo, thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I just read this article written by Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. Please read this, it's sickening but I'm glad she's shining a light on it too.
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/a-harrowing-firsthand-account-of-border-detention-centers/
Just read it too and it's just heartbreaking...this is why I will march tomorrow with my sisters and friends and many around the country to show support and maybe effect change.
It is wrong that our government is doing nothing to unify these families and help them seek asylum. Pure evil!
I'm re reading Hannah Arendt and her thesis on the "banality of evil". She so effectively explains how seemingly 'normal people' can be complicit in executing acts so heinous we think it can never happen. It did in Germany in the 30'- 40's and it is happening here...
It was extremely difficult to read, I almost couldn't believe it could be happening. I'm glad she didn't mince words. Banality of evil is right, it's that quality that makes daily life so difficult, seeing how many people are either indifferent or rationalizing what's going on.
Thanks Natalie- that's the Sen Warren visit I was referring to - thanks for finding and posting it.
I recommend reading "The Rise of Totalitarianism" by Hannah Arendt, "In the Garden of Beasts" by Erik Larson, and "Hitler's Willing Executioners" by D. Goldhagen. They all revolve around understanding the banality of evil and how it arises.
I expect book reports to be handed in by end of summer ?