@jeanne-mayell It's an odd numbering system where each opinion/concurrence starts at its own page 1. So, the easiest way to find the dissent is to go to the very end of the decision, which should page 66 (of the dissent) then scroll up to find page 1 (of the dissent).
While I was reading it I could see and hear Justice Breyer in my head.
Here's a link to just the dissent, but the type is small.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22067295-dobbs-dissent
Read every single headline as you scroll down, and down and down.
They nailed it over and over today.
https://www.theonion.com/?fbclid=IwAR3pGvyycZiGQWaqcj1Qb233dgrxWiCyNLaIUTFbgAMDyLiWxPU9ceP5org
@lovendures This is incredibly funny. We're headed for a slog, so we need a little levity wherever we can find it.
Welcome to Gilead.
Where you are free to brandish any gun at will but women cannot make their own decisions.
Where you can shoot up a high school (does killing a pregnant teenager count as an abortion?), as long as you're a white male.
Where more women die from pregnancy and delivery complications than anywhere in the developed world.
This is just the beginning. Roe was not a well written law, but Congress has had almost 50 years to codify it and never did. Roe was in the way of rolling back many other rights.
Up next: access to contraception. Then: LGBTQ+ rights. After that:
- Marriage - will be limited to a union between a cis-hetero male and female of the same race.
- Voting rights - rolls will be purged nationwide on flimsy excuses (did you know that in TX you have to provide your original document from the first time you registered to vote in TX? So if you registered in 1982 with your drivers license you have to provide THAT license.)
- Bans on contraceptive access - not even gonna outline this for you, as it's already starting.
- Slavery - expansion of the police state-prison complex - more people will go to more prisons for more flimsy violations of more flimsy laws (including getting an abortion or buying BC pills). Prisoners will be forced to work regardless of health status.
- Christian "Sharia" Law - will make its way to the forefront. This is already happening. Look up Coverture, which dates back to the middle ages - this is what drove today's decision - the idea that a married woman is not her own person, just part of her husband - a rib if you will. Executions & punishments will happen with little to no due process.
- Some of this will happen via financial instruments - women will be forced to have their husbands co-sign anything financial, as they did prior to (I think) 1970.
This was never about babies, if it was, American women would have free health care (including mental), free access to contraception and abortion, extended family leave, free daycare, free diapers and formula, free afterschool care, healthier pregnancies
I'm sorry to be so dark (again), but this is what I saw happening years ago. It's going to take DECADES to turn this around, and by then the planet will be so f*ed it probably won't matter. Sorry. I know I'm very negative, but as angry as I am, none of this is surprising me.
Question for friends in other countries: at what point would YOUR country allow American women to immigrate there to escape the persecution at home? Reminder that pregnancy can kill. (Lookin' at you, Canada!!)
More positive: what we CAN do in the meantime - I live in CA, an abortion "sanctuary" state. I am going to look into how I, as a Californian can aid and abet women from states where abortion is banned, whether financial or personal. It's time to start building new Underground Railroads.
@laura-f Everything you listed will be on the table. We are reeling in shock from the overturn of Roe v. Wade and just now grappling with the repercussions of that. Make no mistake, Republicans are organized and prepared to shut down womens’ rights along with enacting punitive actions against women. (I keep hearing Ginni Thomas. I think extremist religious/political groups across the red states are somehow linked to her. Gut feeling.) And their plans include attacking gay rights, contraception (incredibly backward), trans people, voting rights. The list goes on and on.
Laura, you’re so lucky to live in a sanctuary state and can be involved in helping women and girls.
We also need to reach out to our community members living in red states to offer encouragement and help.
YES I get the same feeling about both of the Thomases.
And I'm STILL pushing my 22 year old daughter and her 25 year old BF to consider leaving the US permanently, especially if she wants to have kids.
I keep hoping California will secede when things get worse, alas...
Did a quick scan on the Supreme Court and got that Row v. Wade will come back and be codified within four years. Biden will pack the courts with two new judges who will take over Kavanaugh and Thomas' positions. ACB will step down and be replaced with a moderate judge.
@bluebelle and anyone in this community that lives in a state hostile to abortion is welcome to my fold out couch in CA for as long as they may need it. I’ve even added a memory foam to make it more comfortable :)
Your post is terrifying but true. Did you all see what that anemic piece of puffed rice John Cornyn tweeted in response to Barack Obama's tweet about Roe? He said, "Now do Plessy vs. Ferguson/Brown vs. Board of Education." 😲 WTAF? He's trying to walk it back but yeah, good luck with that. Needless to say, the responses have been less than polite.
This is why they wanted the SC. Let's take the country back to the good old days when no one had a voice except rich powerful white men.
By the way, what is ACB doing there? Shouldn't she be home baking a blueberry pie, polishing her floors with Jubilee and cutting her husband's toenails?
I was thinking about that “other shoe “ which some here feel is about to drop. And then I came across this …
Damn it!!
I didn’t even know this was being decided and now I am dreading waking up to anither SC news alert on Monday.
@lovendures While I expect SCOTUS to rule against the EPA, I don’t expect that ruling to be as big of an impact. Why? Because of the current forever chemicals.
Let me explain.
Living in NC, we are currently dealing with PFAS chemicals (known as forever chemicals) in the groundwater. This has pissed of many people affected by these forever chemicals and has pushed our red state legislature to create new environmentally protective laws to protect their constituents. Republican voters will not stand to be poisoned by a corporation putting toxic chemicals in their water supply. So politicians are reacting accordingly.
Biden’s head of the EPA came from the NC department of Environmental Quality. So he is use to working with Red politicians about environmental issues.
The reason I am being all this up. Any ruling that limits what pollution standards the EPA can set, will affect all pollution, not just CO2. Maybe I am just too close to this, but I feel that there will be a push by red voters to protect their drinking water. (Yes I know they ignored Detroit, but many PFAS chemicals are being found in groundwater used by rural red voters).
maybe I am just being optimistic on this one. I know that 8 years ago, NC tried to dismantle the NCDEQ. Then the major coal ash leak on the Dan river happened. That was when Republicans had a supermajority in NC and had just cut the department by 40%. They immediately began adding $, jobs, and new laws to protect water. Then PFAS was discovered. Same thing is currently happening. So I don’t take this idea as a major setback, just a minor bump in The road.
As Kathy Griffin used to say "I don't Twat" - so I don't have Twitter, so thanks for sharing that.
This country was founded by religious fundamentalists with genocidal impulses who did not want to be told what to do, ever.
Here's an interesting take from The Atlantic (albeit it misses some points we are discussing here):
Also - for everyone else - @Lovendures @Bluebelle et al - I also have guest space for any woman who needs to come to CA for reproductive healthcare. @Lovendures - I think of your daughter in Texas and you-all in AZ - both very restrictive, so if she ever needs... let me know I'm right down the road.
I kinda did. Nov. 9 2016 I was visited with 2 waves: 1 of despair/depression (that is just lifting now) and 1 of visions of the future, which was what prompted me to seek out like-minded/spirited others.
As I have often said, NONE of this surprises me :-/
@polarberry I am getting a yes to the three including Thomas. The Federalist Society will be investigated on and eventually fade into the fringes.