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(@triciact)
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@deetoo

and @lawrence

Funny because my husband and I have said the same thing all along. As a matter of fact I saw an interview with Howard Stern who shortly after T was elected Stern commented that he thought it was a big mistake for T to be President and that he was worried about his friend. Stern should have worried about all of us!

One of the things I felt about T and Putin though is that I think that Putin hatched the plan to have T run for a while. I feel like it was part of Putin's plan and T owed him big time so he had to run.

 



   
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"Everything T. touches dies." -- I hope that does not include the U.S. democracy!

Every reading I've done on the mid twenties shows a resurgence in the U.S. of democratic values.  The democracy will have been battered, as many feel it is now, but it will hold. One reader in our group saw that after progressives return, it will be like a post war reparation period. 



   
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The White House was on lockdown because of a UFO. They don't know what it was. One thought was a flock of birds showing on radar, but they said it hovered. Birds don't hover. They might circle though. So why would UFOs be interested in the White House or trump? 



   
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Bones and trees are similar to our democracy. It's been proven that when kids jump their bones bend slightly and that makes the bones stronger. Same with trees, when they bend in the wind or storm, they grow stronger. In trees it's called the axiom of uniform stress. To make a tree grow stronger, it's not just at the point of growth-but the entire tree. To grow a branch or strengthen the trunk, the root system too grows.  It's nature. It's natural. 

The stress and fractures that are occurring in our democracy are ultimately going to make our democracy stronger. Weak points are being found, loop holes will be closed, thinking for many will be realigned. So Rick Perry may be right. Rumpus may have been chosen to show the weaknesses and corruption that needed to be exposed to make our democracy stronger in the long run. It's not unlike the Civil War. It did plenty of damage, but in the long run it was for the greater good. 

 



   
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Hey, Ari Melber just featured a short audio blurb from an interview between trump and Bill O'Reilly, of all people.  I think the interview was done today, 11/26.  Anyway, it turned out to be actual news because during the interview trump throws his former BFF, America's Mayor, Rudy Ghouliani right under the bus.  For starters, trump says Rudy WASN'T working under his (trump's) direction.  Rudy did what???  trump also claims Rudy had other clients in the Ukraine, not just him, and he had no idea what all Rudy was doing over there. 

This is the part that amazes me.  Inspite of the fact that it never works, everyone who sells self out for trump always thinks he/she is going to be the special exempt one who earns trump's loyalty and protection.  Huh?  Good thing Rudy's got his so-called insurance.  He's gonna need it.  

Pompeo made the news today too.  Pompeo had a brief press conference where he wasn't all huffy and arrogant, a genuine first.  As always, he avoided answering most questions except the one about it being his duty to investigate the reported Ukraine role in the 2016 election.  More conspiracy theories and gaslighting for us, but at least it was delivered with a smile and in a surprisingly pleasant way. Maybe all the headlines about Pompeo being a coward and the worst Secretary of State in history is getting to him.  



   
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Soon Guiliani is going to be part of that club of who? I didn’t really know him, We were never close. I don’t know when was the last time I spoke to him it’s been years. 



   
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How ironic!  What is Trump going to do now?  Threaten these aliens with his border wall?  I can just see him right now sending a tweet to Fox News.  "THESE ALIENS ARE TRYING TO FLY OVER....MY BEAUTIFUL BORDER WALL!  WE NEED TO BUID IT....HIGHER!"

(Note:  In order to be an authentic Trump Tweet, one must always have misspelled words, lots of dots halfway through sentences, and all caps to show he is shouting.)



   
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Did anyone hear NPR's interview with the heads of Fusion GPS, the firm that was investigating Trump and contracted with UK M15 agent Christopher Steele to write what was called the Steele Dossier when Trump was running for office?    You can here it here. https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/783030482/inside-the-steele-dossier-the-fusion-gps-investigation-of-trump

 



   
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That was an interesting interview for sure,  Thank you!



   
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I just saw that Reuters published an article claiming that support for impeachment has increased steadily during the hearings. It points to a small but steady increase and they included their methodology (online poling - not just landlines), which usually helps to understand how they achieved their results. I tend to look at poling cautiously, but I do think that it is helpful in understanding trends - especially if there are several to compare. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-poll/net-support-for-impeachment-grew-steadily-during-u-s-congressional-hearings-poll-shows-idUSKBN1Y02MO



   
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Am I the only one who's really looking  forward to the T presidency ending just so that we can devote our energy on this forum to subjects that are more worthwhile? 



   
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Ar one point early on Jeanne saw Trump creating a false flag event that would generate fear and unrest and therefore allow him to bring out a militia of his own choosing.

But now he's so beaten down physically and mentally unstable  I'm wondering if there's anyone left in command center (his oval office, the only place he trusts) or his own counsel (the only person he trusts) to type out the orders for him like they do his tweets.



   
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@elaineg

To turn your comment full circle,  why wouldn't they be interested in Trump?

Now is the perfect time while he and his office are in lockdown chaos?

And then again, there's always the possibility of an alien abduction. Either to bring him back to the home planet or to do one of those secret probes/implants so many who believe they've been abducted describe.

Oh wait a minute. Maybe he's already an implanted plant pseudo fake president.

DT phone home!



   
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@cindy

I so agree but you have use a beautiful example to describe fae better!

Thank you for the reminder of what I see as the cyclical ever spiraling upwards and stronger path of evoluntionary growth.

 



   
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@coyote

You are not alone. I wish we were talking about more important things now.

As far as I'm concerned he's a complete diversion from everything we all should be focusing on now. 

Coyote:

"looking  forward to the T presidency ending just so that we can devote our energy on this forum to subjects that are more worthwhile?"

 



   
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Amen on that! I can't WAIT till he's gone so we can concentrate on our planet, our spiritual growth, a better government etc., and never have to talk about him again. Right now though he's the HUGE (pun intended) Elephant in the room (who keeps breaking everything he touches). (T and the GOP). Getting them out is not just my goal for our democracy but for my personal sanity.

I used to read about 3 books a month on my kindle. Now I read this area, news (can't handle hearing T's voice or see him so I read the news more) and watch YTube.  I so look forward to the days when his name  is not mentioned.

Note: Before T, I didn't really concern myself so much with politics etc., not to this extent at all. I did have opinions and causes I would "fight" for, but I could handle watching the news most nights and not be so upset. Obama always made me feel calm, something I haven't felt since T.



   
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Am I the only one who's really looking  forward to the T presidency ending just so that we can devote our energy on this forum to subjects that are more worthwhile? 

You have created a hit with your sentiment because several people predicted that around TG and Dec, the public would begin expressing a dire need for this all to end. 

Yet it's a little like John Adams and Benjamin Franklin and our forefathers saying they can't wait until they get rid of King George so they can get back to their farms.  

What has happened to this country is bigger than Donald Trump. He is just the outward manifestation of the problem. The problem of power being concentrated  in the hands of a few has been building for decades.

When it's over and we have survived it, we will have our hands full trying to steer our ship away from the disaster they have gotten us into. 



   
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@yofisofi

Ar one point early on Jeanne saw Trump creating a false flag event that would generate fear and unrest and therefore allow him to bring out a militia of his own choosing.

I don't see that any more.  



   
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@jeanne-mayell

Whew! Fate is fluid and we are all glad if that's not seen in the realm of possibilities. 

Am I always waiting for another shoe to drop? Unfortunately yes. Based on my 7 decades of life it's been one challenge after another but one also filled with miracles. I tell my family I'm always a hopefilled realist! Always looking for the sun to come out tomorrow while out enjoying today's rain or snow storm ? 

 



   
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Did you all see his latest tweet?  A picture of his head photoshopped onto Sylvester Stallone's body as Rocky.  Sweet monkey butter, the man is certifiable.  

I'm going to try to not think about him at all the next couple days. 

On a happier note, wishing all of you peace, calm, love and happiness, and of course, great food!!



   
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