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(@deetoo)
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@lawrence, so interesting how your paths crossed with T!  

@lawrence and @laura-f., I also find it interesting, and somewhat scary, how a television image of someone can fool a lot of people.  Decades ago, when I'd read about T., his real estate deals and his casinos, I thought of him as an arrogant a-hole but a tough, successful businessman.  Even after he filed for bankruptcy, I remember being impressed how, unfettered, he turned things around for himself.  

Then about 28 years ago, my friend moved to New York City.  I visited her often (loved it!), and got an earful about T.  She educated me to who T. really was and what many New Yorkers and those in big real estate, really thought of him.  What a fraud.  And how he screwed so many people.  I had no idea.  Laura F., perhaps you had to be a native New Yorker or be working in real estate, to know the real DT.  At least I tell myself that, rather than admit that I was naive as hell.  You'd think I'd know better -- I used to work in advertising!

His brilliance (if you want to call it that) was in sales and marketing himself -- and of course, the fact that daddy bankrolled him didn't hurt.  So he had this successful show, marketing himself as this successful businessman.  And the viewers thought they knew him, admired him, and eventually voted for him.  And now we're all living in crazytown.  Scary stuff.



   
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(@lawrence)
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@deetoo

Thank you. His impeachment will be the first thing he ever truly earned. A 100% fake.



   
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Hey y'all! It's been a wildly busy few weeks for me (guaranteed to continue for the near term, which is a good thing), but I've missed this space. With the big September intel eruption finally uncorked and unraveling right on time, just as a few of us predicted, I had to pop in.

The Don is doing what the Don does, but this is the beginning of the end. There may be days or weeks ahead that cloud and confuse us (what's new?). We may doubt our own sense of certainty and our clearest, sharpest predictions (raising my hand). But barring some massive black magick or real world military/cyber intervention (wouldn't put it past those f&c^ers), this guy is toast

As they say, the writing's on the wall. And the letters written there were carved long before T ever ascended to office. This is his karmic story. Unfortunately for all of us, he's not the only one who has to live it. 

Someone I trust had a vision that he'll be gone by the end of the year. That feels true to me. If Pence (whose energy definitely feels weak! agreed) steps in, he won't stay in beyond the election. Whether Pence pardons T or not, the Con Man in Chief is still facing a dozen-and-one other legal snares that aren't pardonable. And whatever happens, I believe he'll spend the remainder of his life greatly reduced—financially and in every other way—as well as somehow physically confined. 

That said, the man's a child of Uranus, so he can muster insane energy and shocking upsets and surprises—seemingly out of nowhere. Still and so, every star that rises must someday fall. ...Which makes me rather suspicious. T's star has risen and fallen rather fabulously a couple of times already. For it to rise as high as it has—and on so very little steam of his own—suggests a blood pact: whether with mobsters or oligarchs or demonic forces, who knows. But this I can say for sure: This time around, his star won't just fall; it will supernova. 

 

@lawrence, today is also my daughter's birthday, so I'm especially partial to the sort of early Libra energy it creates. Happiest day to you. 



   
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(@deetoo)
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His impeachment will be the first thing he ever truly earned. 

Brilliant!  This should be a bumper sticker. @lawrence, thanks for making me laugh!  



   
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(@lawrence)
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@vestralux

Thanks so much. I love the T takedown is around my birthday.

Yes, it's a tsunami happening as I saw in my vision. When it just floats into my consciousness, it always comes true. I've mentioned T's dementia on here several times. I saw it 10 years ago when I looked at him. It was very disturbing. I took care of someone with the condition. I have no doubt. His brain is dissolving. All karmic for him. I don't feel he even knows what going on. His family is either totally unaware or doesn't care. I go with the later. Greed corrupts. 



   
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(@mas1581)
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Love the "only thing he ever earned" comment. Gave me a much needed laugh. 



   
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@lawrence

I agree and I have absolutely no doubt either. This was always going to play out for him: cognitive (and other) decline.

Though, I do think his children and Melania are aware that he's experiencing issues. They likely go into denial here and there, but this issue would concern them a great deal because it could place their inheritance/stake in the organization at risk. It's already true that T has only extended a limited minority share of the organization to his children. Surprisingly limited, especially considering how much his father did for him. What will happen if he becomes unable to operate the business but is too confused to recognize that fact? That's got to be present on their minds. And I've always thought Ivanka and Don Jr. are going to be in fierce competition over who becomes executer (both seeking to cut out Melania). 

Who knows what will be left when it's all said and done. 



   
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@deetoo My brother works in real estate in NYC, and some of his senior colleagues have had (brief and tortuous) experiences working with T. Everything is as you say; the real estate community despises him.

As for T's brilliance in marketing himself, I've been thinking a lot about how he normalized his image and behavior over the decades, even among people who didn't necessarily admire him or end up voting for him. For example, my mother was a business administrator, and when I was growing up she'd often unwind at the end of the day by watching reality TV. In the mid-2000s, that included watching The Apprentice. Like most professionals in the NYC area in 2016, she was horrified  by T and voted Dem. But a narcissist like T feeds off of attention in any form, and by giving him our cultural attention for years on end, I think many millions of us played a hand in his ascent to the Oval Office even if we didn't vote for him. Even the Clintons were friends with him! What this all seems to point to is an American fascination with wealth, influence, and shiny things - the American Dream! So now as the House of Trump falls apart, perhaps that will allow us as Americans to exorcise those toxic aspects of American culture.  



   
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@coyote

Trump is the first truly American president. He personifies what the rest of the world hates about us and this is a snapshot into our downfall if we, as a nation, dont change our priorities. We glorify celebrity for celebrity's sake(people are now famous for nothing more than just being famous, no talent required), money can and does buy you literally anything(as Trump and Epstein have shown us), sleaze is popular and admired because its "relatable," people enjoy making themselves the victim because its easier than playing the hero and taking action to correct bad choices, and, especially with the newest generation, are so spoiled that they can complain about having no opportunity for prosperity while sipping a $5 latte in starbucks while watching a movie okn their ipad before getting in their SUV and driving to the mall to go shopping for a coach purse because nothing they have goes with their new outfit they just bought last week(not being sexist, just flowed better than a stereotypical "guy" waste of money?)



   
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Happy late b-day Lawrence.  Guys did I read or hear that The president of Ukraine was a TV actor also?  Sorry it’s late and I’m mellow.



   
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@yogagirl

He was a comedic actor in some capacity. Probably why Trump saw him as an easy target, as its been insinuated he has had similar conversations with other leaders that assumably havent been as fruitful.



   
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@lawrence

Happy birthday, Lawrence!  I always enjoy your posts.



   
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@bluebelle

Thanks so much. Yours too!



   
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@lawrence Happy Birthday!

I just woke up and saw that this thread has really taken off again. I don’t know what I missed overnight but I will say that I think T. has dementia and that you can already both see (in his gait) and hear it (in his babbling). I’m sure that his family is trying to keep it under wraps for as long as possible but that he will claim infirmity when they finally try to hold him to account. 



   
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Posted by: @mas1581

...and, especially with the newest generation, are so spoiled that they can complain about having no opportunity for prosperity while sipping a $5 latte in starbucks while watching a movie okn their ipad before getting in their SUV and driving to the mall to go shopping for a coach purse because nothing they have goes with their new outfit they just bought last week(not being sexist, just flowed better than a stereotypical "guy" waste of money?)

If I can sound one note of hope, if I may... while this may be true in anecdotal cases, it's actually not really true of the younger generation as a whole.  I say this as "a grumpy GenXer."

I've had to look at some of this data for work, and if you look at the actual spending pattern data, members of the younger generation are actually FAR more likely to be savers than either my generation (GenX) or the Baby Boomers.  As a group, their spending patterns actually most greatly resemble my grandparents, The Greatest Generation, which makes sense if you think about it since that's the last generation to experience a recession/depression of that magnitude in their formative years.

They're much more likely to save their money to buy something than to buy on credit, and a shocking number don't have credit cards at all.  

There are two major points on which they differ from the Greatest Generation.  One, no surprise, is that they're under a backbreaking amount of student debt.  The other is that they heavily distrust large employers.  That's generally attributed to the trauma of seeing family members laid off during the Great Recession.  So they do tend to be more entrepreneurial than the preceding generations, as far as starting their own businesses, and they strongly tend to seek a greater purpose in their work than just a paycheck.

Anyway, that's a long winding way to get to the hopeful part which is, a number of people on the boards have predicted that the U.S. would turn away from its hyper cultural focus on consumerism, and more of a return to community and smaller, local businesses.  While I definitely do not go so far as some of the boards, there is a good amount of data that that is occurring, and for all the flak they get as the "snowflake generation," Millennials and GenZers are leading the way. 



   
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Am I the only one who feels the Ukraine leader seems corrupt and needs to be held accountable in some way as well



   
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This crowd strike trump is referring to I heard is a American company but trump is trying to make out its Ukraine and it was the one who interfered in the 2016 election not Russia so he can falsely blame it on Ukraine, so he can help Putin and lifting the sanctions. T is so compromised by Putin   



   
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Tweet from DT: To show you how dishonest the LameStream Media is, I used the word Liddle’, not Liddle, in discribing Corrupt Congressman Liddle’ Adam Schiff. Low ratings @CNN purposely took the hyphen out and said I spelled the word little wrong. A small but never ending situation with CNN!

 

DT just tweeted this. WTH? I dont even know where to begin here but this man is completely broken. 



   
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@lawrence, Happy Birthday! My son found the stage in middle school. It made a world of difference in his life. He hasn't continued with it, but he will do stand up at local clubs from time to time. 

I've always said from day one that this situation would be one to expose serious flaws in our system, and would serve to expose the underlying infection of our society. I've used examples like pimples and boils. The infection is there, but until it comes to the surface to be excised, it goes undetected. 

There are many reasons people believe that this administration is being victimized. Part of it is Faux news and the social media influence. This scandal has traction and will run it's course. It will take down the administration. For some, it will show that the previous scandals were real, and that they should have been paid attention to. So many of the Russian stories were linked back to the Obama and Clintons in an effort to discredit them as real threats. Projection and diversion - tactics of the narcissistic mindset. This time, there is no blaming anyone else. It is all on this administration, and eventually, there will be some who were suckered into believing that the Russian issues were manufactured who will realize that their elections were compromised. 

I agree with Jimmy Carter. This president is illegitimate. I think in time that will come to be the general consensus-whether there were any changed votes or not. The influence of the Russian meddling did alter the election results, and eventually that will be something that can be tabulated. Faux news won't be able to spin things as they have in the past. They'll be seen for who they've been, as will some of those in DC circles who helped keep this travesty going for so long. 

I hold on to the image I got in church a few years ago of Drumpft in prison stripes. If he's not physically incarcerated, he'll at least be known as a criminal. He won't be able to continue to do business-no one will want to associate with him. It will all come crumbling down. 

Nixon left with a 33% approval rating. Some will always believe. But many will reevaluate. As I've said before, all of this will bring about new laws to protect us from having this ever happen again. This has allowed the bullies and racists to come out of hiding thinking they were going to be back in power. Not true. All that has happened is that they are now exposed. They'll have to change or be ostracized. 

I don't know how it will play out. It could be like in the days of Nixon, where Agnew was ousted first, and both parties agreed on who the new VP would be before they focused on Nixon. I think if it was an anonymous vote, we'd be able to impeach in the senate as well. Unfortunately, the republicans are more concerned with appearances and staying in power than with protecting the constitution and the country. Knowing that he no longer has the support even in the republican party, Rumpus will leave so he can say he was victimized. He may cut a deal so he's not tried on some of what he did in office, but he was a criminal before he was elected, he won't get away unscathed. 

I have faith in our younger generations. They are the ones who are struggling with being able to buy homes, student loan debt, a climate crisis. They grew up watching the older generations losing huge chunks of their retirement because the top 2% were trying to get richer and caused stock market crashes. They are the ones who have lived through bomb evacuation and live shooter drills at school. They are fed up with the violence and the thought that the rich should be entitled to get richer at their expense. They are less racist. They are less misogynistic. They are more accepting of differences, and seek to work together to bring about change. They give me hope. Each generation has seen some change-from those who watched the civil rights movements, to women's lib, etc. Each generation becomes more tolerant, and more aware. 

As a country we will heal. All wounds are painful, and pain is a symptom of healing. This is no different. With all healing, pain lessens as we get closer to a full recovery. 



   
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@bigshowoz

I do not get that vibe. Just from his looks, I like him. He was doing the best he could while facing a big BULLY.  I took the empath test and got a 15-15 1/2. I answered one question as a yes and no.



   
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