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(@jeanne-mayell)
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Putting the pieces together about the Insurrection. The Capitol Riot Insurrection keeps bringing up in my mind insurrections that occurred in other countries that the U.S. government fomented to overthrow democratic countries and replace their leaders with authoritarians who favored U.S. business interests.

The standard system of overthrow was for the U.S. special ops who infiltrate the country and align with right wing local interested politicians, and start a U.S.-backed revolution that helped large corporate interests. They often use thugs to help, with special ops troops train them and insure success with the "revolution."

In Latin America during the 1960's, the U.S. used special ops to make it look like the country's people themselves were rising up against their own government. 

In 2016, I wrote on this site on the main prediction page that I was concerned about the President's association with Erik Prince, the founder of the mercenary military company Blackwater that was later disgraced and disbanded for abuses in Iraq. I felt Prince would help Trump if his presidency is threatened.  Today Prince is still close to the president - he was involved in spying on the President's critics in Michigan. I think he was involved in the Capitol Insurrection.  I don't thin kit was a coincidence that his sister, Betsy Devos, the extreme right wing Secretary of Eduction, promptly resigned after the failed Capitol insurrection. She didn't want to be associated with the Insurrection, but she allegedly may have known about her brother's alleged involvement.  (Just a theory)

This is an intuitive prediction, not a statement of fact. But evidence is starting to mount that the insurrection was organized and led by highly trained military.  I think that Trump tried to foment a revolution in this country to stay in power and that he used special ops and likely Erik Prince was involved. 

I will try to pull together some links.  At the moment, the main link about the history of U.S. fomenting regime change around the world would be Kinzer's book Overthrow.  

Tagging @vestralux who has in the past shared my concern about Erik Prince. 



   
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Posted by: @jeanne-mayell

Erik Prince, the founder of the mercenary military company Blackwater that was later disgraced and disbanded for abuses in Iraq.

Thank you for tagging me in this, Jeanne! I very much agree that Prince and his like are involved.

Just a small point: You said that Blackwater was disgraced (it was) but it wasn't actually disbanded; it became Academi—and who knows what other offshoots there now are.

Anyone who's seen the video footage from the Capitol siege (let's call it what it was) may have noticed the single-file line of outfitted soldiers climbing the steps and heading for the doors.

From the Associated Press:

"The formation, known as 'Ranger File,' is standard operating procedure for a combat team that is 'stacking up' to breach a building—instantly recognizable to any U.S. soldier or Marine who served in Iraq and Afghanistan."  

That ought to tell us a lot. But I sense that the larger part of their mission was to compromise the network and steal intelligence so that it can be distorted and spread, or even sold to the highest bidder. 

Here's a recent article in Engadget that explains why the biggest cyber security threat we face may be one carried out not by a foreign government, but by extremist Americans.

Another critical aspect of the protocol used by our special forces when they've infiltrated foreign governments to effectuate a coup is the strategic (and insidious) use of mass disinformation.

It's easy to point our fingers at Russia or even Hitler's Germany when it comes to the deliberate use of mass disinfo to radicalize a population and turn it sharply to the right, but we've been using this strategy on our own countrymen (and others) since well before the Cold War. Don't get me started on the propaganda campaign geared toward poor white Southerners leading up to and well after the Civil War. (As long as the obscenely wealthy can keep us focused on hating foreigners and other working class groups, we'll never organize and turn our attention to them.)

The mass disinformation campaign that caught up virtually all of the Capital rioters in its net (hint: it's identified by a letter that follows "p" and comes before "r" in the alphabet) was designed based on game theory. Its ability to draw in and keep people obsessed with finding "evidence" of the conspiracy it claims is afoot cannot be overstated. It was created to be addictive, which is why it succeeds so well at brainwashing.



   
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Thank you Jeanne for starting this topic. Since learning of what happened I have read as much as possible from as many varied sources as possible on the event. 

From everything I've pulled together several things stood out to me as shocking, horrifying and just plain unbelievable (unfortunately they're true):

- This was planned - DT invited the proud boys to a meeting last year - there is speculation he discussed the planned coup then

- Members of congress helped the terrorists - stories about Lauren Boebert tweeting Nancy Pelosi's location out to the public, and of other congress people feeling unsafe staying in the "safe room" with their co members because they were afraid those people would out them to the mob or were out of the closet white supremacist's. (see statement from Ayanna Pressley) - this brings up the uncomfortable truth that certain elected politicians may have planned to murder their political opponents

- There wasn't enough police presence. This is because DT deliberately weakened their presence on that day and refused to send the national guard, Pence had to do it and the governor's of Virginia and Maryland had to help too. He deliberately refused to come to the aid of those who's lives were in danger due to his own instigations, the level of monstrosity in this is unspeakable

- A good percentage of the police presence that day was either sympathetic to or outright in alliance with the insurgents. They helped direct some of the mob and deliberately did not arrest people they should have. This brings up the uncomfortable question of infiltration by white supremacists into major institutions like the police and the military. 

- That mob was out for blood. From the stuff they shouted as they marched and the equipment they carried with them, it is very clear that they intended to commit murder that day, the fact that they didn't do so is miraculous.

- This is not over. They are planning another insurrection on or around January 20th. This time they intend to attack state capitals. 

I may be beating a dead horse, all of you probably know all this and can add details I missed to the list. This was an attempted take over of the United States government, it failed because it takes more than a little planning by a bunch of boneheaded idiots to succeed at this, but it came dangerously close to being a massacre. 

I want to know and I wish I had a good insight on it but I think my fear makes it hard for me to see clearly, why did this happen? Where did this come from? Where will it go? 

I don't believe this hate started with DT, he just poured gasoline on it, this is much deeper than him. I wish I had answers, I am genuinely scared. 



   
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It seems that this insidious “energy” has been out there down through the ages and at certain times in history finds the perfect “host”.

I hope we will tamp it down again, but don’t think we humans can ever eradicate it entirely. 



   
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Posted by: @natalie

This brings up the uncomfortable question of infiltration by white supremacists into major institutions like the police and the military. 

Thank you for saying this, @natalie

The truth is, our police and military have had a white supremacy problem since their inception. Full stop.

The current resurgence is troubling—and dangerous—but it isn't unexpected. As has always been true: those in power seek to hold onto that power, and will do so by any means necessary. In order to quash any pesky cognitive dissonance they may feel about their tactics, these people convince themselves that power was always theirs by divine right.

In the case of present-day neo-nazi/alt right/white nationalist and adjacent movements, this shows up in a malignant belief that the rise and spread (read: colonialism, imperialism, slavery, etc.) of Western Civilization is the most brilliant, wise, and badass thing our species ever did. "Its science and technology are unrivaled! Its art and culture are the only ones that matter!" Most importantly, the credit for Western Civilization belongs entirely (their belief) to white European men. You know, God's true chosen ones. 

But it isn't just racial minorities they hate; their ideologies are also misogynistic in the extreme. Proud Boys is a handy example of this. What nonsense did its founder like to spout? "Women LIKE to stay home!"   

You're right that none of this was the brainchild of DJT. He simply exploited it (though don't get me wrong: he's a racist through and through). But the reason he could do so as effectively as he has is that all of these white nationalists are very well aware that white folks are about to be the literal minority in this country. Any minute now. The statistics don't lie on this count. So I personally see this particular wave of extremism in our country as a kind of "extinction burst"—an ontological last gasp. 

That's not to say that white supremacists are going to disappear. What it means is that they will inevitably lose the power they have long held.

And they well know it.  



   
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You're right lowtide, this insidious energy has been with our species forever. If we want to get specific about it we can start by defining fascism. From my own understanding fascism is what happens when a society is beset by several evils which coalesce together.

When you have a combination of extreme inequality of wealth, a horrific war that devastates people, and a political class that is immune to the needs of the majority of people you end up with a right wing movement that feeds on grievances and hate and aims to overthrow the political establishment. Usually you also end up with left wing movements that seek to change society for the better, but historically the right wing movements have a better track record of winning power. 

The first such instance of this soup coming together that I can recall from history (I know it isn't actually the first, it's just the first one that seems obvious to me) was when Julius Caesar marched his troops into Rome and toppled the senate thereby destroying the Roman Republic (which was in some sense supposed to be democratic). From that event the Roman Empire was born and democracy died. Why did Julius and then Augustus succeed? Because the people were with them. Why were the people with them, because of the tensions that had grown between the classes and the endless military adventures that were going on which couldn't have helped the mental health of the populace. 

That's the first instance I can recall of this happening, and then we can turn to the horrors of the early twentieth century for more examples. The original nazi's were made up of WW1 veterans who felt betrayed by the Weimar republic and who suffered extreme economic depravation during the depression. 

And now what do we see in people who militantly support DT. There are a lot of veterans, people who went to war where they had no business being, fighting on behalf of a government that then spit them out and wouldn't look after them. A lot of these people come from places that are economically devastated, from families beset by disfunction that runs through generations and has one dominant theme in it economic instability. Granted rich ppl also support DT, their motives are more mercenary however, they are greedy sociopaths who love the idea of more more more, opportunists basically. 

This movement has been growing for a long time, the germ of it was there with the tea party, and earlier, it will be here after DT goes, it has to be dealt with. My fear is that dealing with it is too difficult because it requires a reevaluation of the country's history and values, a looking in the mirror that most people find very difficult to do. I hope we do it.



   
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Keep in mind that this thinking has been around for awhile. It only grew because people ignored it, but it has cause a lot of damage in the past. The crusaders for example. Those were just like these nationalists. They were unwashed, uncouth white men who went out to murder Muslims who, at the time, were very sophisticated and much more cultured than Medieval Europe was. However, the lived in an area that the Crusaders wanted sole control over, even though Jerusalem was shared with all faiths at the time. Only after the untold slaughter done by the crusaders did Muslims turn anti-European.

Another example, there has been a group in Europe for years now, white men only, who lay blame on society's downfall (according to them) because women were allowed to vote and now have freedom to work. They are viewed as 'crazy guys', but there are thousands of them. Examples can be found by googling Incel.

These are just a few examples of the problem in society. It is so profound in the US, I think, due to a lack of good education in certain parts and the immense power of churches. In Europe most countries are *very* secular. The US has extreme areas/states akin to extremists in the Middle East albeit with a different religion.

You cannot stamp this out completely unless you start to work on education and culture.

 



   
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I am a firm believer in people's energy. In my opinion, it doesn't matter if that person is no longer alive. I believe his or her energy is still around. Before the November elections, I was not able to keep Benjamin Franklin off of my mind, until I suddenly realized that Philadelphia (where he lived) was going to be the decisive electoral outcome for Biden's win.

I was reading last night again about Benjamin Franklin, and I found something that seemed like a "coincidence". Well, most of the information about him will say that he was born in Boston, on January 17, 1706. Coincidence? You see, the domestic terrorists vowed to re-start their mob activities tomorrow, January 17... But there is more, if you read deeper into Franklin's bio, you will find that, under the old calendar, his real birthday was January 6, 1705. The 6th and the 17th. Coincidence? I don't know. But I hope he keeps helping us. This beloved land and its Democracy is his and our most precious jewel.



   
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@vestralux

And who designed the Q brainwashing net? Overseas intelligence, or an entity in the US?



   
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@vestralux

And who designed the Q brainwashing net? Overseas intelligence, or an entity in the US?

Sometime in 2015, I started seeing an influx of posts and videos with the very same messaging that later erupted on the scene as "Q" (I think the first post claiming to be this individual showed up in late 2017, but I may have the date wrong). I was watching all of this because of a worrying trend in what I'll call conspirituality taking place. It was catching fire with people on the far left who adhere to New Age-type philosophies or practices.

At the time, it appeared that unvarnished accusations/rumors that American leaders and billionaires are all somehow part of a dark, interplanetary cabal (e.g., that Hillary C. is a shape-shifting reptilian child cannibal) was going viral online, and that people with excessively open mindframes were falling prey to it. What I didn't realize yet is that the very same ideas were catching fire on the far right. That meant to me that people who are open to/tend to have more extreme views—on the far left and the far right—are necessarily more vulnerable to taking as truth (highly) extreme ideas. 

Now, there has always been a HUGE financial market for selling snake oil to unwitting consumers. That's clear. What was surprising to me at the time is how the internet and social media exponentially amplified that market. (This seems totally obvious today, of course.)

For a while, I was convinced that this particular disinfo campaign was the product of a foreign PSYOP. And it very well may be. One need only look into the events that took place in Crimea and across Ukraine to get an idea for just how clever the Russians are at this sort of asymmetrical warfare.

But ever since the election, I'm equally convinced that this could have initially been domestic (as we know, it's now spread across the world). The irony of this theory is that I believe it's individuals like the Mercers and the Kochs, et al, who had the most to gain from the proliferation of this conspiracy theory. A cabal is a cabal is a cabal. Most powerful people get there because they control the messaging and excel in misdirection. 



   
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I just want to share something that I think is a very good sign.  The Capitol Police have named A woman Yogananda Pittman as acting Chief . I don’t know anything about her other than her name is Yogananda which I am taking as a positive whisper from the Universe that DC is being watched over. ❤️

 We frequented the gardens in Encinitas CA at his Self Realization Fellowship there.  A beautiful spot.  



   
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Posted by: @vestralux

I was watching all of this because of a worrying trend in what I'll call conspirituality taking place. It was catching fire with people on the far left who adhere to New Age-type philosophies or practices.

Posted by: @vestralux

That meant to me that people who are open to/tend to have more extreme views—on the far left and the far right—are necessarily more vulnerable to taking as truth (highly) extreme ideas. 

There's a whole thread about why so many spiritual people are being caught up in QAnon. "Conspirituality" brilliantly characterizes this phenomenon. You've also gone a long way towards explaining why I don't put much stock in online chatter about starseeds. Many of the people who are writing about starseeds online seem to be taken in by the belief that there's an evil race of lizard people who are trying to secure resources for their home planet. I think the concept of Reptilians is really just a projection of the collective human shadow.



   
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@vestralux

Your "conspirituality" word caught my eye! I just read an article today about it. My acupuncturist shared it as she and I were talking about how we noticed folks on the far left falling for Q. I think I can post the link here...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/93wq73/conspirituality-explains-why-the-wellness-world-fell-for-qanon?fbclid=IwAR3lyZFKOL3rxFWdxXjJrAD23C1y7rHIv2QOUjwXxUHjpIZL3MlOhy1T7Rg

You are absolutely right - the far right and the far left seem susceptible. As I stated when I reposted this article on FB, ultimately, regular critical thinking, common sense, and being able to admit that there are no absolute guarantees in life can go a long way towards mitigating falling into these traps of thought.



   
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To me, susceptibility to conspiracy theories highlights in an extremely painful way the distinction between intuition and magical thinking. Intuition is the gestalt crystallization of information based on cues and clues that may not be obvious on a superficial level -- the evidence is there, but requires verification, just like any other form of evidence.

Q and such ilk solve the verification problem by claiming insidious forces make verification impossible. And people buy it, which just sickens me. I need to go get a cup of tea and not think about it for a while.



   
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Posted by: @vestralux

The mass disinformation campaign that caught up virtually all of the Capital rioters in its net (hint: it's identified by a letter that follows "p" and comes before "r" in the alphabet) was designed based on game theory. Its ability to draw in and keep people obsessed with finding "evidence" of the conspiracy it claims is afoot cannot be overstated. It was created to be addictive, which is why it succeeds so well at brainwashing.

I have never thought of this before, addictive  like gaming.  

Thank you.

p.s.- I have understood everything you have written today.  ha ha ha.

 

❤️ ❤️ ❤️ 

 



   
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@walden-ponderer

Thank you for stating that so clearly - the difference between intuition and magical thinking. That helps me when thinking of what happens on this site vs. other things.



   
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Many of the people who are writing about starseeds online seem to be taken in by the belief that there's an evil race of lizard people who are trying to secure resources for their home planet. I think the concept of Reptilians is really just a projection of the collective human shadow.

I'm with you.  All that never seemed "right" to me. 



   
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I think the concept of Reptilians is really just a projection of the collective human shadow.

You know already that I feel likewise, but I'm restating it here for emphasis.

The thing about mass shadow/the morphogenic field of the collective unconscious, however, is that it's "sticky." It ... attracts. Over time, its strange energies can even produce autonomous entities. Egregores and tulpas and the like. 

That said, I totally feel what all of you are saying about the intense starseed communities. The constant "lizard people" talk comes without much rational inquiry; it's simply swallowed whole as fact. I'd like to see a lot more pause for discernment. More ...agnosticism, if you will.

I also feel that many in that space are there, consciously or not, because it psychologically affords them a "special" status, some form of enhanced belonging and worthiness.

Though, I also feel compelled to say that I don't immediately throw out the possibility (of reptilian beings or anything else). In the words of quantum theorist, Brian Greene, "Anything that can happen will happen, an infinite number of times." Hell, we happened. I'm also an "experiencer," as they say. I don't know what to make of my experiences, but they were enough to keep me humble about precisely what "can happen."

Moreover, I know a couple of people—whom I trust; they have a lot of wisdom and integrity—who say they've experienced non-human intelligences, some of which one might describe as reptilian (also mantid-type beings and "grays"). And they both claim to have had good and bad exchanges with these beings.

No group is a monolith, I guess. Just like us, these other beings—if they exist—appear to range from compassionate helpers (lightworkers, you might say) to self-serving sociopaths with no empathy or concern for what we think or feel.

 

TL;DR

I neither believe nor disbelieve. But when I see total and unquestioning adherence to any idea, my skepticism kicks up.  



   
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@walden-ponderer

Really beautifully said.

 

Posted by: @cc21

regular critical thinking, common sense, and being able to admit that there are no absolute guarantees in life can go a long way towards mitigating falling into these traps of thought.

@cc21

Amen! 

 

@lovendures

HA! I'm glad I could actually type sentences that make sense today. ;) ?

 

@journeywithme2

Not sure what you're saying "yes" to, but it made me laugh to read it. 

 

@coyote

If anything good comes up, "@" me in the conspirituality thread. 



   
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@kksali

I missed you in my previous post. I wanted to say that I agree: "Yogananda" is a beautiful whisper. Praying it means healing and higher consciousness ahead. 



   
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