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Closing the Border with Mexico

(@lovendures)
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I have a difficult time looking ahead at what might happen regarding the possibility of closing the boarder with Mexico because it doesn't make sense.

 In the past, when Trump has threatened a bizarre  a non-sensical  action, I have gotten myself in trouble because I intellectually think " no one in their right mind would do x y or z" ,  but then he does it anyway. I realize of  course he isn't in his right mind and he continues to chose actions which harm our country. I also realize my problem is being too logical.

I just read Mexico currently supplies the US with approximately  50% of all produce sold here.  87% of the tomatoes and 65% of the berries to name just a few items which would be much more difficult to find in a boarder closing.  There are MANY other things we import from Mexico such as cars and car parts.  We have a lot of exports as well which would hurt our farmers once again just like it did with the China trade issues recently.  

I would love to get some of your take of this because I really don't know where to begin.  



   
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(@stargazer)
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Yes, there is nothing 'logical' about a Southern border closure! And the impact of the import-export deficits (especially of produce) will be far-reaching into the future to create even more havoc, the T***p regime specialty.

The only good thing that could come from this closure would be that the thousands of horses that are trucked over the border to the horrific slaughter houses each month, would be spared, hopefully.



   
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(@perriwinkle10)
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I honestly don't think any republican in their right mind (insert irony and eyerolls here) would actually allow him to do it. That's way too much cash loss and as we know, it's all about money for them. 

I see a lot of Republicans (especially Lindsey Graham) giving him the compliment sandwich of "great idea, bad execution" when Trump calls his people for advice. (Which Lindsey stated in a Times article, has become a common occurrence for Trump.) 



   
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(@lovendures)
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Trump just backed off his border threat and said he is giving Mexico a year to make progress on the drug and migrant flow into the US.

Sounds like he got an earful from a bunch of people.  



   
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(@enkasongwriter)
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Lovendures, this and the ACA repeal sounds like a distraction from Mueller report and the SDNY investigations.



   
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(@jeanne-mayell)
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Enkasongwriter, I agree.  A distraction. 



   
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Everything this man does in someway a distraction from the his actions. He can only distract his base who seem to be like zombies who have no brains and just are hungry for more fake news. Most of us are awake and know what kind of man he is



   
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(@rowsella)
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I addressed some of my thoughts regarding the Southern Border on the Robert Mueller thread however it has occurred to me after some reading that the issues we have with immigration are not singular to the US. All over the Western World there are political movements informed by increased levels of refugees and unchecked migration patterns. It has stimulated the Brexit mess, lead to riots in France and caused some political upheaval in Italy and Germany. There are also social and criminal aspects to the reaction of this in New Zealand and the Netherlands. So, I think we have to take a step back as a nation and consider what our ideals are. After all, the United States is a nation made up of immigrants and predicated on religious freedom and the rule of law.... that is our leit-motif.



   
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Trump fired or she resigned however you want to see it Kirsjtsen Nielsen because he wants to close the border and again start seperating families at the border again and of course turn around asylum seekers at the border and send them to Mexico. Interesting fact a Judge in California today issued preliminary injuction blocking Trump's policy forcing asylum seekers to return to Mexico and wait decision. He is also telling immigration agents at the border to turn people back and say sorry to the judges and say they are full. He obviously would love to get rid of these judges so he can impose his will on the immigrants



   
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(@jholmes)
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Rosella -- You are so right. This is not a US issue. This is a global issue that is becoming increasingly fraught. I lived in Munich Germany for a year in the late 80's and when I went back in the early 2010's, the city had completely changed in flavor. It seemed like fifty-percent of the people I saw in the historic district were Middle Eastern or African immigrants. Paris is similar. That has caused a lot of tension in Germany and all over Europe, UK, etc. 

This is only going to get worse with climate change as more and more refugees flee disaster, coastal flooding, excessive heat, etc. So I don't think this Trumpism period is a blip on the radar but more like the start of an ongoing crisis. 

We need brilliant leadership to figure out how to be compassionate while also not exhausted resources for our own people. That's the best possible future we can hope for. Pure fascism is the worst we can expect, but probably not unlikely.



   
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