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(@stargazer)
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@unk-p

Thank you unk-p .. just brilliant young musician on this, and those outta this world celestial instruments!

Here's one for you.... (tho I couldn't insert the link as I am "tech-challenged" heh).....

YouTube : * Alexandre Desplat/The Meadow*

Peace ✨?



   
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(@mas1581)
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New info is coming out that blood oxygen levels drop before any serious symptoms are noticed in covid patients.

It wouldnt be a bad idea to buy a pulse oximeter and check you O2 levels as you would your temperature. This could give you notice of an infection days before you actually feel it and will save lives. It will make you aware of a serious condition before you otherwise would know, and it would give legitimate reason for a covid test or hospitalization long before you would meet the criteria needed now. They're cheap(like 30 dollars) right now but I expect prices to shoot up as shortages happen. 



   
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@rowsella

I think this post should go under the "Turning...Unraveling" thread because it has to do with life in general, not just CV, and deserves a longer-standing thread.

@jeanne-mayell ?



   
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(@lovendures)
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Elizabeth Warren just lost a brother due to Covid-19. ? 

 



   
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(@vestralux)
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Just stopping by to drop a poem off. 

 

Questionnaire 
     by Wendell Berry

  1. How much poison are you willing
    to eat for the success of the free
    market and global trade? Please
    name your preferred poisons.
  2. For the sake of goodness, how much
    evil are you willing to do?
    Fill in the following blanks
    with the names of your favorite
    evils and acts of hatred.
  3. What sacrifices are you prepared
    to make for culture and civilization?
    Please list the monuments, shrines,
    and works of art you would
    most willingly destroy.
  4. In the name of patriotism and
    the flag, how much of our beloved
    land are you willing to desecrate?
    List in the following spaces
    the mountains, rivers, towns, farms
    you could most readily do without.
  5. State briefly the ideas, ideals, or hopes,
    the energy sources, the kinds of security,
    for which you would kill a child.
    Name, please, the children whom
    you would be willing to kill.

 

Made me think of you @coyote



   
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(@mas1581)
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New York just published a random 3000 person sampling of people that were tested for covid at grocery stores. 14% came back positive. That is 10x the number of confirmed cases. Couple that with the 800 person sampling in L.A. that returned 22-50x tested for antibodies than the known confirmed cases and we have a lot worse spread than we ever thought.

Some of those who tested positive in NY will get sick and havent yet but many would never have known. 14% isnt enough to gather herd immunity but it is enough estimate that by mid summer, half of the population could have been infected. That's the bad news. The good news is that if we have approx 2.7 million active cases in New York(expanding the sample over the entire state population) and only 250k were urgent enough to get testing and only 15k have died, we have a lot weaker virus than previously thought. Add that to the recent reports that the virus has mutated at least 30 times, and this wont go on THAT much longer. When viruses mutate, they almost always weaken(unlike in the movies). The Spanish flu is still around today as one of the seasonal flus we dont give much thought to. The quick mutation doesnt leave us with any great options for vaccines being a miracle cure, although the early strains are by far the deadliest and we can still wipe them out. 

I'm not an epidemiologist or virologist, but do have a BS in microbiology, so I have some idea of what I'm talking about here. My guess is that since the worst strains are killing people relatively quickly, the weaker strains will become the prevalent ones because the stronger strains will be more quarantined. I think a lot more people will get sick but with every passing week, those that get covid will be less and less sick until it works it's way into the run of the mill flu category by winter 2021.



   
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(@billy-mike)
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This might matter; you'll know: I feel strongly compelled to tell you that the COVID19 pneumonia is not conducive to walking.  I've read reports that the patient feels steamrolled.  So maybe the message is in another part of the song, which I remember as being about frustration and confinement: I wanna holler but the joint's too small. I might be projecting, as I am living while distancing, feeling the normal emotional responses to our global condition.

At any rate, I was guided to ask you to open your experience to other meanings, in other parts of the song, now that your guides have your attention with a good beat and bouncy phrasing.  I don't believe, for what it's worth, that you and your family will fall ill.



   
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This is good news:

South Korea health agency says virus may not live in people who were re-diagnosed

The Korean Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced that in 25 randomly selected patients, all had developed antibodies that had defensive power.

Those 25 patients in South Korea were hospitalized with symptoms at the time of the antibody testing and have now fully recovered, according to the agency.

Initially, there was concern about the effectiveness of the antibody in killing the virus because 12 of the 25 had both the virus and the antibodies. However, after attempts were made to grow the virus, it did not replicate, suggesting that the virus detected in the body may have not been live or was just viral remnants and therefore did not have the ability to infect others, according to KCDC.

In a separate study of 207 people who had been re-diagnosed with the virus, the agency confirmed that the virus had not grown in their bodies either. KCDC said it had attempted to grow the virus twice.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-updates-american-red-cross-antibody-tests-id/story?id=70301746&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed&fbclid=IwAR0RN0k3ZytGAbxaaKuhjJNPwH-VT1uFHr6fcAYEdgb4ysvSipMCoH86A1I&fbclid=IwAR1nk3e1yjxNRY-N4PmnUHMvnuuwB3keGVbgLqNoHoVnNAXi9jMmsMQP-yU



   
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(@lawrence)
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@jessi1978

Great news. I know in my heart that this and/or more treatments will appear very soon. It will change the trajectory of everything. 



   
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(@lovendures)
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I have a friend who is a USDA meat inspector in the Midwest.  For the past few weeks she has posted about conditions in the plants she inspects at as well articles written about plants across the country during this pandemic. 

She is meticulous.  Many inspectors across the nation are now sick with the disease and she is now covering more and more plants as inspectors are getting sick.  Some of her regular plants are finally closing down with hundreds of Covid cases.  She is seldom notified about cases at plants but assumes everywhere is infected now. While she seems to  have access to masks, not all inspectors do.

Please keep our inspectors in your prayers as they are truly front line workers during this pandemic.  Also all or our meat packing workers who hold a very difficult job under the best of circumstances.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-23/one-hundred-usda-inspectors-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR2HiYw2sJG_okM1nRba_7bloMw3ECaDUXYeJxC7l5BLz8f-BhGUfMtzGp8

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/albertsamaha/smithfield-foods-coronavirus-outbreak?fbclid=IwAR3QcCtjYNLoHIyA4LVCcOaKo3Iscvn5vOE6PYmeWEva9OZXVhkLu0oYjQE



   
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I have hope that we will get through it and that, more importantly, that we will change from it, respect the earth, put more power into our more accountable and more humane state and local governments, find meaningful ways to live sustainably, and create the more beautiful world we all know is possible. Also as @MAS1581 has shown, if anyone gets it, they have greater chance of surviving it than previously thought.  (Although the LA studies are deeply flawed and I wouldn't rely on those statistics).

But far from seeing this virus as weaker than we thought, it is turning out to be much more virulent than anyone ever imagined.  

Why is it so virulent? They don't even know.  But likely the large percentage of asymptotic people who have it and are shedding it everywhere they go. With other influenzas, we knew when someone was contagious.  With covid, you have to behave as if everyone out there has it. 

 



   
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He is going to kill people

President Donald Trump suggested the possibility of an “injection” of disinfectant into a person infected with coronavirus as a coronavirus deterrent at the White House daily briefing on Thursday.

"I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning," the president said during the briefing, speaking to his health officials. "As you see it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."

He did not specify the kind of disinfectant.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1191216

 

 



   
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@jessi1978 wtf smh  (I've never before used the "wtf" text abbreviation, but it's a perfect response to the absurdity/lunacy of an injectable disinfectant.). Thanks for sharing, jessi1978 (I think?!).



   
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I have felt for years now that Mother Nature or Mother Earth would eventually defend herself from the parasites known as mankind.  If termites infested your home, eating it away bit by bit, would you not strike back?  Would you care if some of the termites were good (compared to the other termites)? No.  The earth does not need us to survive.  It is we who need the earth.  The covid-19 virus is the perfect way to thin out the parasites without harming other species.



   
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@lawrence Does this mean that many places will reopen sooner than later?



   
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@cdeanne

it gets better he even suggested using UV Radiation. I mean he called it light he obviously doesn’t know big words. I subjected myself to hear his voice while he suggested this. 

on Thursday suggested medical experts should study exposing the human body to heat and light as a treatment for the coronavirus during Thursday's White House briefing by the president's task force on the virus.

Reminds me of when they would treat TB patients with fresh air. 



   
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@jessi1978

The only thing that Trump will kill is whatever remains of his brain cells, as well as those who continue to blindly follow him.  But he doesn't know what he's talking about.  Today, he talked about how sunlight kills the virus!  I seem to recall that he told a rally of his faithful that the virus would disappear in the spring when the weather got warmer.  Well, it's spring, and the weather is warmer.  And we are now over 50,000 deaths, with the majority of these deaths occurring in the month of April.

Just wait as we watch the wreck that is Donald Trump continue to unravel.  I wouldn't be surprised if he later claims that he always knew about the coronavirus and suggest that we all look directly at the sun to kill it (much as he looked directly at the sun during an eclipse back in 2017).

The majority of the country no longer listens to Trump.  And the rest of them who want to listen to Trump and shoot themselves up with bleach...well, if they want to run that risk and probably not be around to vote in November, then there isn't much we can do to help them.  Sadly, willful stupidity is something that we have yet to develop a cure for.

Personally, I can't wait for November to get here (assuming we make it that long without the country unraveling completely, of course).  I can't wait to vote every single Trump supporter and Trump himself out of office.  It doesn't matter that I live in a red state and surrounded by Trump supporters.  I will be heard, and I hope there will be enough like me who are angry enough to make Trump and his supporters pay for what they have done, no matter what it takes.  If I have to go to the voting booth in a Hazmat suit, then that is what I am going to do.

In the meantime, I will console myself with the knowledge that many people are still sane and don't believe Trump, which tells me that this country is not completely lost.  Further, I will fantasize that one day Trump will be forced to resign before the election, stepping aside so that competent people can take control and save some lives.

I know.  I know.  For that to happen, Republicans would actually have to grow a conscience (and a pair, but that is another story).  And since we know that Republicans will never, ever turn against Trump, then it won't happen, and many more innocent people will die in the meantime.

Or maybe Trump will go outside and look at the sun again to the point that he fries his brain completely in his quest to kill the coronavirus, leaving the Republicans no choice but to use the 23rd Amendment.

 



   
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@jessi1978 We can only wonder how much longer people can stomach this behavior. I personally wrote letters to my Representatives in Congress expressing my outrage to this ignorant man! The world has moved on without us. I certainly agree with the prediction that WE WILL TAKE A BEATING. I can only hope that our democracy prevails in the mists of so many things going wrong at the same time.



   
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I heard Nancy is bringing Imbleachment charges against dump!



   
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@yogagirl  I like the typo - "imbleachment" - goes with POTUS' moronic (and dangerous) proclamation that science should study the  possible benefits of injecting disinfectant into people's veins. 



   
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