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(@jeanne-mayell)
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BOGUS Coronavirus treatments making the rounds.  Please check Snopes or just google the advice before passing it along. https://www.snopes.com/collections/coronavirus-origins-treatments/

I got this email this morning from a usually trustworthy friend, but in these times, people are passing along advice a little too quickly. 

"From Stanford with love"

Subject: Fw: From a Stanford doc, on their board: The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. Please send and share this with family and friends.

There’s a Facebook Coronavirus Post Going Viral Claiming to be From Stanford. Don’t Believe It.

SNOPES ON CORONAVIRUS Circulating Coronavirus Treatments. Check SNOPES  to keep up to date:

1. Will warm weather kill the Coronavirus?  Answer: Unproven

2. Will sipping water every 15 min kill the virus?  Answer: No

3. Will holding your breath for 15 minutes tell you if you have fibrosis in your lungs?  No.

4. Can homemade Tito's vodka hand sanitizer help stem the virus?  No

5. Will garlic water cure the virus?  No

6. Did Corona bill sales drop due to the virus?  No

7. Did a Chinese intelligence officer reveal the truth about the coronavirus outbreak?  No

8. Was coronavirus found in packages of toilet paper?  No

9. Does washing your hands work?  YES!

 

 

 



   
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(@jeanne-mayell)
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Regarding all the Chinese and herbal remedies. Check them out online before taking. I've always relied on ginger and lemon water. Some are advocating elderberry. 

Please use  the the advice of the WHO and CDC for preventing exposure:

Mostly, do continue the evidence-based advice:

1. Social distancing

2. Frequent hand washing especially when returning from being in public places

3. Don't touch your face

4. Disinfect door handles, buttons and surfaces you touch frequently

5. Avoid eating with your hands--use utensils.  Your hands are the most likely places to have picked up the virus.



   
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(@lovendures)
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Trump got tested.

The UK and Ireland are now part of the travel ban.



   
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(@deetoo)
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@lawrence, I am responding to your post under the "Unraveling ..." thread.

So interesting that you sensed an HIV drug possibly helping with the coronavirus.  Rachel Maddow featured Dr. David Ho on her program last night.   Dr. Ho is the scientist who designed the studies and did the initial research on HIV.  He saw how rapidly the HIV virus replicated itself inside within the body, which would often lead to AIDS and the opportunistic illnesses that can kill many HIV positive people.  He found that you needed strong antiviral drugs to stop the virus from replicating, in order to give the immune system some relief.  It was Ho’s research that led to revolutions in developing successful drugs for HIV treatment.   Back in 1996, Time Magazine named Ho “Man of the Year.”

Ho showed graphs of China, Europe (specifically Italy and Spain), and New York, to illustrate that the shape of the curve, or wave of the epidemic, is the same.  Which means that in this country, we will be following the same exponential growth in cases.

Back to the HIV connection:  Dr. Ho heads up his own research lab, and is currently looking for a cure for COVID-2019.   Ho said we need some sort of intervention, either through vaccine, drugs, or antibodies.  His current research is focused on targeting two enzymes that the body uses to replicate itself.  If you block either of those two enzymes, you stop the replication cycle, which will kill the virus. 

The good news is, focusing on these two enzymes is already well investigated and documented, in the context of developing drugs to treat HIV and Hepatitis C.  He said that through the HIV research, there is already a wealth of knowledge about chemicals designed to target these two enzymes.

Dr. Ho did say that this will be a prolonged process.  He said that even if they find a “hit” in a couple of months, the optimization process would take several more months, and then you’d have to do the manufacturing, safety testing, etc.  So this year, Ho said we’ll have to fight the virus without any defensive drugs or vaccines.



   
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(@adora)
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The Italians play music and sing with one another from their balconies.  Take a moment and sing with them and fill them with light.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2020/3/13/21179293/coronavirus-italy-covid19-music-balconies-sing

 

 



   
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@lovendures

Speaking as a small business owner, we are sending that email because people want to know and have a right to know what procedures we normally have and what new measures have been put in place to protect them. We at the same time share information about natural healing methods, much as we do here in the forum, and we relay information about developments with the coronavirus itself, because, as you know, there is a lot of bad information out there. We don't do this because we are desperate for shoppers, but because we care about people. 

 



   
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(@lovendures)
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@raindrop

Thank you Raindrop.  Thank you for reminding me that small and probably many business owners want to reach out and share what their procedures have and will be with their customers.  I am sure customers are asking as well.  Thank you for gently bringing that to my attention and letting me look inward and re-evaluate that judgmental thought.  

What type of business do you own if you don't mind sharing, I am now intrigued? (if you told us already, I am sorry I forgot).

 



   
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(@raindrop)
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@lovendures

Thanks, Lovendures.

 I am a massage therapist and my husband is a chiropractor. Small practice, just the two of us and our receptionist.

 



   
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Did you guys read the story on MSN this morning about that a-hole who is now stuck with close to 18,000 bottles of hand sanitizer he can't sell because he has been banned from websites due to his price gouging?

The one thing there never seems to be a shortage of is jerks looking to profit off of other people's fear and misfortune.



   
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(@polarberry)
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I'm looking through the predictions because I think someone made a prediction about how bartering would become something people do again.



   
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Posted by: @polarberry

Did you guys read the story on MSN this morning about that a-hole who is now stuck with close to 18,000 bottles of hand sanitizer he can't sell because he has been banned from websites due to his price gouging?

The one thing there never seems to be a shortage of is jerks looking to profit off of other people's fear and misfortune.

If he was a mensch he'd go distribute those in his community, for free, and consider it a karma lesson well learned... but I doubt he would.

 



   
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(@deetoo)
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@bluebelle, and all those who live in the Pacific Northwest:  have you heard anything about a total lockdown in Washington state?  I'm asking for a friend, who was just told this by someone.



   
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@laura-f

The end of the article says he's looking at donating to charity but you can bet it's only because he can't sell now.

 



   
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@deetoo

In addition to my sense that they're going to find a treatment soon that is related to other viruses like HIV and Ebola (as I stated in the other thread) I'm also getting the sense that there's a vaccine already around that will offer partial or even full immunity to this virus.  I keep being reminded of how in eighth grade biology we learned about how cowpox was used to make a vaccine for smallpox. Since the two viruses were so similar, inoculation with cowpox provided immunity to smallpox.  I feel that there is a vaccine already out there for a different coronavirus that will work to provide immunity in the same way and that the discovery of the retroviral treatment will spur researchers to start exploring this avenue.

 



   
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@deetoo

No,  haven’t heard that, but it would not surprise me.  There have been official hints at stronger measures possibly being needed here.   The rate of Coronavirus transmission here is on a trajectory that matches the spread trajectory of Coronavirus in Italy.  As we know, Italy’s hospitals are completely overrun and they are unable to treat all of the critically ill.  They have to chose which patients to try to save and which ones to let die.  If self isolation, restriction of social interaction, closing schools and encouraging work from home doesn’t work, well, if all these measures don’t slow down the spread, we will be like Italy in a matter of weeks.  Weeks.  It’s quite shocking and hard to absorb.

So when I observe the state of denial in other parts of the country (I’m looking at you, red states) and the fact they they are taking none of these extreme measures now in their own communities, well, I think our country is in for it.  People are attending highly populated events and going about their normal social lives in public as if it’s not coming there.  The Coronavirus is already in every state, spreading undetected.  The next few weeks are going to be something.

 



   
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Here are my crazy COVID stories from the past 2 days:

1) On Friday, I was giving a presentation to a local high school biology class about a citizen science project the environmental nonprofit I work with is conducting in the spring (surveying breeding pairs of horseshoe crabs on a beach). Just as I was getting warmed up, a woman from the principal's office came to the classroom and told  me that I had to leave the campus; the school had just been notified of a new district policy barring all visitors from outside organizations from visiting school properties. So no presentation. I expect all schools in the district will be closed within the week.

2) I was supposed to get an outpatient surgery done in Manhattan at a NY-Presbyterian hospital next Wednesday (the 18th). The surgery was voluntary, for a non-urgent concern, and I had started feeling jittery about undergoing an operation in one of the COVID "hot zones." Yesterday, I decided that if NY Presbyterian did not call off non-essential operations, then I'd go ahead with my surgery. Just tonight, while reading the New York Times, I found out that NY Presbyterian hospitals were in fact cancelling all non-essential surgeries. I'm relieved. 

The original plan was for me to spend the week after the surgery with my family in CT so that I could follow up with my surgeon 5 days after the procedure. But I'm still driving down to CT on Tuesday and spending a week with my folks. This is a time to be with family.



   
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Thanks for the information, @bluebelle.  I saw that trajectory you are talking about, and it is scary. It seems like your governor is quite proactive, but there are so many unknowns.  I live outside of DC in Northern Virginia, and know that it's spreading here.  Once you do all that you humanly can, it really is in the hands of a higher power.  I am keeping all of you in my daily meditation and prayers. 

The friend I mentioned has a sister who lives with her family in Northern California.  They are Trump supporters and believe we are overreacting to this whole pandemic thing. So much so, that her sister is sending her daughter, off from college spring break, to Seattle for a few days to visit with a friend.  As if that is not crazy enough, after her daughter comes home, then she, her mother and fragile father (cancer patient) will fly to Mexico.  When my friend asked her sister how she would know her daughter was not contagious, her reply was "we will trust that she will be smart."  Can you imagine? The father ends up in ICU when he gets a cold, and his lungs are horrible after septic shock 4 years ago.  But this family just pretends everything is okay and believes God will keep them healthy.



   
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@deetoo

Oh, oh, oh, do I hear you.  My family in red states who watch Fox News every day are in complete denial.  I keep telling them what’s happening here and all I’m getting amounts to a shrug.  “It’s just another flu,” they say.  “The annual flu kills more people,” they say. They don’t have the information to understand that this is coming to their state.  It’s already there, in fact, and they are going to church functions and festivals, traveling and eating out with friends.  They are so brainwashed by Fox News, they don’t have any understanding of what’s happening or any empathy for those of us in states with high Coronavirus counts.  They think those of us who are concerned are simply overreacting. I have tried to explain, to warn, but again the shrug.  It’s sad.  

And by the way, who would send an adult child to Seattle right now?  It’s a ghost town.  Everyone is scared.  It’s not normal life here anymore.  Events are cancelled right and left.  Fifty restaurants have already closed there and more will follow.  The virus is spreading here.

i just saw a friend’s post on Instagram about their life in Mexico and it surely looks like their group of Americans are having a great time.  Do they think Mexico is immune to this pandemic?  I just don’t get it. 

I'm not saying this flippantly, “Darwin keeps coming to mind.”

 



   
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My mother called me this morning.  She had talked to my aunt who is a doc in a hospital in Northern California.  According to my aunt, they have cancelled all elective surgery and are down to their last hundred hospital gowns.

My mother and her family (including my aunt) are CRAZY conservative Republicans (I call them the #AllFoxNewsAlltheTime Family), but between that and Mr. T finally admitting that it may be prudent to have a couple weeks of supplies on hand, my parents are finally taking this seriously after weeks of proclaiming that it's all a Democratic party hoax.  

I did get calls giving me a detailed blow-by-blow of everything going on at Costco this afternoon, but I was so grateful they were finally admitting that they may have to be ready for potential disaster.  



   
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@deetoo

i will keep you and yours in my meditations and prayers, too.  Thank you for thinking of us.

 



   
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