@frank Yes, to my point - it will become endemic and the herd immunity will have to be very high. And we don't know yet about vaccine - there's some promising stuff going on, but nothing is guaranteed, and those little graphs @enkasongwriter posted are fairly useless.
I just saw a US map for states regarding their plans on reopening.
There sure is a lot of already partial re-open green across the country. More than I though. Less partial re-opening planned than I thought also. The red is mainly on the east and west coast.
That map looks eerily similar to the electoral college blue/red map from 2016... just sayin'...
I'm rethinking that Yes -No oracle spread I posted, asking when the pandemic will subside. It said that the virus would subside soon. Which it probably will ...subside. But it also showed the Fool card next to the part that said we'd be opening up the economy, which bugged me. He reminded me of Mango gleefully telling everyone it is safe to come out of our isolation.
It felt like it was telling me that fools would think the virus was over when it had just subsided. The darker images that show up later left me thinking that there will be hell to pay for opening up states too soon.
I'm questioning the study I posted as well. If the data used in the study is bad, then the study is bad. After @5LeafClover pointed out that in Texas her personal experience was that they were not testing people who had obvious symptoms, it means the data is likely bad, and we know how paltry the testing has been.
My true test of intuition is how I feel personally about going back into stores and how I feel about my loved ones going back to their jobs this summer. I do not feel good about it and have never felt good about getting back out this year. I want to feel optimistic about it because people need to work. But I feel so wary.
People ask how long it will take to get back to normal. This year has been the pivotal year we've seen coming for a long time. It is the year of learning lessons and pivoting from an old paradigm to a healthier kinder world.
Getting back to normal means ignoring the lessons that there can not be a return to business as usual without consequences.
Bill Mayer said it well the other night when he did his monologue from his back yard. He said, until we stop abusing animals for food and the land with factory farms, there is no recovery. Especially the abuse of animals which is horrible, unspeakable. I feel we will change our ways. But it won't be over night.
People are going to the parks in droves today in New York. At least the police are passing out face masks.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/nypd-swarms-new-york-parks-to-enforce-social-distancing/
I am feeling that the state will soft open on May 15 and fully open by late May.
Re the yes/no- this new interpretation is how I read it- having no tarot background but you sort of explained the cards and I felt like the fool and the soon weren’t that the virus would go away but that we would resume life and it would be foolish.
the hype is tantalizing, it’s almost summer we want to be out and about. I see people who were masking up and distancing 2 weeks ago not anymore. They feel like they did a good job but they don’t have the urgency to follow through anymore.
as a teacher I am concerned that there will be a push to return to school in the fall that will be problematic. This was too easy- but nothing has changed, there’s no treatment and no vaccine.
the bigger picture to me has something to do with what Bill Mayer said- this is a big opportunity to learn a lesson(s)- but we haven’t learned it yet and I think we are only leading up to the climax of the suffering- the narrative has always been about reopening the economy and getting back to normal. There hasn’t been real Mainstream discussion about how this system is not working, Mainstream acknowledgment about animal Life and Mother earth. When trump forced the meat Packing open I thought - oh this might be another opportunity to see how we needn’t be dependent on animal protein. We have a long way to go- it feels good to see pollution down- it could build a desire to keep it down among those who felt hopeless or unclear how.
I feel like there are many opportunities here and we’ve barely scratched the surface. Considering the size of a pandemic in terms of the earth sending us a lesson- (Compared to say Katrina)I think we’ve just started.
@jeanne-mayell In the past several months, I've seen the virus exemplified in a couple vicious and menacing forms (a shrewd and madly clawing feral cat; a mega-sized, razor-toothed science-fiction-type lizard/dinosaur monster with its ginormous glassy eyes peering into windows) with an all-devouring appetite ("I will kill you, or I will die"). But on 3 March the image I saw personifying the virus was that of an aging peasant woman dressed simply in drab colors, a timeless representation of poverty and unmet needs, existing pitifully but stubbornly, and I heard: "(it/the virus) will be back season after season." So, I take this to understand the virus is not going to go away any time soon, although it may appear to subside. And in time (thanks to effective treatments, herd immunity, a vaccine) it will be significantly weakened, but in the meantime we have much to learn. Perhaps this aging peasant image means it will linger mostly among the poorest and most marginalized--definitely not to be interpreted as a cause for relief. Or maybe it means it will be deceivingly disguised as weak when it's actually still a major threat. Or, more likely, it means that until we more honestly and adequately and sustainably address the proper reverence for and protective care of all people and all animals and all of nature it will hound us like a relentless beggar and there will be no real recovery. Like you, Jeanne, as I sit here on day 51 of strictly staying at home (but who's counting?!), I want to feel good about going back out this summer, traveling as planned and resuming a job teaching art to kids that I was so looking forward to, I want to feel good about resuming old routines and pursuing new ones this fall, I want to feel it's safe for my kids and my grandkids to go back out into the world this summer and fall, but I just don't. I've also had several strong dreams that this coming Christmastime will be a time requiring re-doubled precautions.
@enkasongwriter I hope you are wrong or we would have learned nothing. The cases will start to rise again & people will die.
You know, I was just thinking about the position of the Fool in that tarot spread and the way you phrased your question. I thought maybe it was saying that the silver bullet cures we've been pinning our hopes on are going to be disappointing, and that it's going to take a lot more trial and error before we have an effective treatment/vaccine. Your interpretation sounds just as valid too.
Even if I were more confident in my knowledge of the Tarot, I'd avoid using the yes/no spread when asking about the pandemic. It seems like one of the lessons of these times is that we have to learn to be comfortable with unknowing, with uncertainty (i.e., darkness). Globalized industrial culture likes to tell itself that it has all of the answers, or that when we throw enough money and can-do positivity at a problem, we'll have the answers soon enough. Now, with CoVid-19, the dark mother is chiding us for our self-satisfaction; we can't demand the light to miraculously return every time the going gets tough.
The aging peasant woman you saw seems like the wise crone figure who occupies the mythical pantheon in many cultures; she's also closely related to the Dark Mother.
We need good testing, and tests that are accurate.
On demand antibody and virus tests.
We need good information so we can make appropriate decisions. We also need to find out if one is somewhat protected from the virus if they have been exposed to the virus and have antibodies.
U of A and ASU are both planning on opening this fall for in-person classes. Of course things may change and of there needs to be some flexibility on all sides. It is interesting to note that U of A has created an antibody test which is being used around the state and ASU has created a Covid test which is also being used throughout the state.
What we might need to look at are visions and predictions which may hint at what will happen over the next 12 months.
I am not surprised people are getting antsy. I am a bit surprised they are will to expose themselves to a disease by gathering in mass at parks, beaches and protests across the nation. This is not ok. I think at the least when things do open back up, people need to wear masks.
I know my parents REALLY want to drive to Arizona for a visit. They really miss us and it is difficult for them to only connect via phone and FaceTime. At some point in time they will likely take greater risks and do things that will pose more risk because they have been "ok" so far. And they are rational, up-to-date, intelligent, well-read progressive people.
Things are actually going to get more tricky before they get better for all of us. Balancing true emotional health needs with physical health needs and having some sort of income to pay for rent/morgage, food and essentials.
We will simply be in a new phase soon. I think we only a few chapters into our novel right now.