Blue Sky,
I strongly disagree with your right wing views. You seem obsessed with saving western civilization from muslims and keep asking about end of Islam again and again. All main monotheistic religions including Christianity come from middle east, they all have same origins. And they all have violent past. I have middle eastern friends that are christian. Im not particularly religious myself but I definitely are not hoping for one or another group of people to be finished. I hope that we all can learn to get on regardless of our origins, and see each other for our humanity rather than skin color, nationality or religion. As for refugees that are coming to europe, these people did not chose to be in this situation, anyone at any point can become refugee. Look at Ukraine, in million years I would never have thought that war will break out. And problems in ME are largely because of the illegal invasion of Iraq. So what do you suggest we do with these people arriving in boats? Drown them in the Mediterranean? There are children, women, old and disabled among them. I know, because we have done charity. Of course we can not know if everyone arriving is good or bad. But just think what is the right thing to do? I asked myself what would Jesus do? Would he send them back, set their tents on fire, drown them? Or have a compassion and help? As I said Im not religious, but I do ask myself this question quite often when I dont know what to do. Racism, xenofobia,homofobia and every other phobia and bias against some groups of people are NEVER OK. I would not want my child to grow up in racist right wing society.
And now to Corbyn, no, he would not be disaster for this country. He would actually save NHS and help ordinary people rather that billionaires, he actually cares. Right wing somehow think that liberal thinking people are stupid and dont know whats good for them, they treat us like naughty kids.
And I keep thinking what wonderful world we could have with Sanders and Corbyn would be great for western civilization and the whole world, as they would probably try to sort situations out by dialogue first, before invading countries. And maybe, just maybe we would have a hope for peace on this planet.
Blue Sky, I'm going to respectfully disagree. On all of it.
Corbyn isn't a communist. He's a democratic socialist. They're not the same things. Blair destroyed Labour with his right-leaning views. He didn't respect what the party stood for; he waged unnecessary wars, and alongside Bush, brought the world where it is today -- entrenched in terrorism, anger and chaos. Corbyn is the epitome of what Labour stands for -- equality, fairness, justice. He's not dangerous, compared to Theresa May. Since the election announcement, he's done 9 events and spoken to everyone he can. Theresa May has done 3 events, banned the press from one and the public from another, answered 7 obviously cherry picked questions (and even then refused to give a straight answer) and seems to think she can bully the UK into voting her in because 'I triggered Brexit'. She's killing thousands of disabled people and she will destroy the healthcare system to benefit the tax dodgers that own the newspapers. How can you justify that? She is the monster. There's no stability with her. She's backtracking on her own promises! Under a Tory government, there's increased homelessness and unchecked power. My generation will be screwed for life. Brexit will be disastrous if she's at the helm.
Your next point, where you said the Tories are not like Trump. No, they are like Trump. Look at what Trump and the Republicans stands for -- privatising healthcare even more than they already have; lowering taxes for his rich friends and raising them for everyone else; selling off ISP history to the highest bidder; curbing immigration (a frankly nonsense threat based on Xenophobia and 'nostalgia') to dangerously low numbers; war mongering; cutting, cutting, cutting anything and everything they can get their hands on. That's the Conservative party. Crooked, unfair, and barbaric. The right-wing/conservative politics relies on one word: 'no'. They never create. They never 'help'. They stop. They prevent. Trump is a symbol for the entire right-wing political spectrum. Like Blair did for the left, he represents the worst parts of that ideology.
We're not talking about mainland European media. They don't get to vote in our Election. We're talking British media. The British media owned by the right-wing rich dudes living in the Bahamas. The hypocrites making money off of the dangers of immigration while sipping beers in the warm waters of Antigua. Theresa May dropped everything to fly to New York for a meeting with Rupert Murdoch. You don't think that's suspicious? You don't think the Tories are in the pockets of the rich? They don't care. They won't care. They're criminals.
I think this is going to be an upset. At the moment, I think there will be a tide turned if May continues the way she's going -- backtracking on her promises to cut immigration, refusing to commit to not raising taxes, etc. At the moment, it's entirely possible Corbyn will be our Prime Minister. He cannot be bought by the media; he doesn't shy away from answering questions (unlike Theresa 'well, Jeremy Corbyn...' May); and he's not interested in waging wars like Blair did.
He won't destroy the country. He's the only hope we have to save it.
Jeanne calls it the dark night of the soul. Everything blue sky says is tinged with fear and prejudice, the sense of a caged animal lashing out to protect himself. And this is right wing ideology in a nut shell. We will go down the far right road for a few years as Jeanne predicts because fear overrides our judgement. But the damage will be so great we will turn away from it. This is the message that Jeannes predictions give, I don't think its helpful anymore to label ourselves liberal or conservative. Rather I believe that being compassionate, understanding and forgiving ij the end will propell us forward. Fear, bigotry and prejudice will destroy itself because it is fundamentally a destructive mindset not a constructive one. So let it burn out and from the ashes something new and beautiful will come up. As a millenial I have great faith in my generation to be the caring, compassionate leaders this world needs when we become old enough to do so.
Natalie, thank you, thank you! What a beautiful soul you are, I agree with you! Somehow we need to brace ourselves for this storm to pass. I take comfort in what Asian said about age of Aquarius coming. And few more on here said it will get worse until 2025 before it gets better. Sometimes I wish I could relocate to Mars until then.
Do you know what a communist is?
Natalie, well put. Thank you. Gives hope.
Blue Sky, let me start by saying, I respect your views even if I don't agree with them. Just because I'm on the opposite side, doesn't mean I'm going to insult you or say you're wrong. My uncle is a hardline right-winger, and it bugs the crap out of me because he always tells me how I should think. Like it's black and white. I like debate and I like hearing people's opinions even when I don't agree, so thanks for your thought-out response. I appreciate that.
I accept that the UK has always been conservative, but times have changed drastically. People my age grew up during 9/11, the Iraq war. I've seen anti-Islamism, racism, homophobia, sexism, hatred toward my friends and family. My generation are now of the age to vote and the majority of people my age are 'liberals' (if we're going to use that term), left-leaners. Tolerant/PC/snowflakes/whatever you want to call us. We've seen the dangers of what came before and we love people. We love globalism. We recognise, in a way many of those before us never did, that we're all humans -- no matter gender, race, orientation or nationality. And I do think over the coming decades, the UK (if it still exists) will become much more liberal in the wake of Brexit. We'll have no choice but to start accepting one another. We're all in the same boat.
It doesn't matter who's on what side of Brexit. It's happening, we're leaving. My concern is that Theresa May believes that 'no deal is better than a bad deal', and that's just not true. No Brexit deal means a 22% increase on import tax for food. That's devastating. We import everything. Fruits, vegetables. If that were to happen, you'd see riots, even more instability. She's holding Brexit as a hostage negotiation. That's my concern.
I do think Clinton would have been better for May, though. You have a point there.
I hope once the election is over, whichever way it goes, we can have another discussion about this.
That prediction came to me last September. One way the election is rigged is when the extreme Right floods the Internet with anti-left propaganda. They know that so many people just follow what they see as the dominant view on the Internet.
Jeanne, have you seen anything about who will win the election?
Blue Sky I don't trust my prediction about the French election (I'm not good at this), but the sense I got was that if Melenchon won, he would not be good for France. I think balance is key, you can't go to far right or too far left, this is why I support social democracy (the Canadian kind, not the French kind) because it aims to balance the competing forces of the market and the needs of the people.
Stu, in the shocking event vision that came to me last July about this time period, I had seen sudden quick fluctuating waves of energy in my mind's eye. It signified a new reality. We've had so many such events since Trump took over. But the most shocking would be the unthinkable -- a nuclear bomb dropped on a city. The thought that came to me when I got the image however was a secession of a state from the U.S. Perhaps Scotland's secession would be a fit.
Natalie, agree with your assessment - so well put.
The right wing spin machine has been on the upswing across the Western world like a new football play that will fool many voters for a while. But truth has a way of seeping through the lies like light through cracks. Eventually people feel the truth when their lives suffer from those lies. The pendulum will swing back.
But not yet. I think the extreme Right wing push will continue to have power for a while.
Blue Sky
Ok i'll give you the answer
Communism according to the Cambridge dictionary
the belief in a society without different social classes in which the methods of production are owned and controlled by all its members and everyone works as much as they can and receives what they need
So:
No social classes - social classes are defined by wealth - working class, middle class & upper class. Which means everyone will have the same wealth.
production owned and controlled by all it's members - so all industry is owned by the government.
the Labour party is not going to nationalise every industry in the UK, nor is it going to strip everyone of their wealth.
this idea comes from fear not from any true facts.
He is definitely not a communist.
Thanks Blue Sky! I'm not passionate by choice, believe me! It's mostly anxiety.
It's not that I believe he would bring a better deal. It's that I'm afraid of her bullish mentality resulting in the worst deal -- no deal. She has a checklist that will never check off, and is fully prepared to walk away with nothing if those demands aren't met. That frightens me. I'd rather someone negotiate for the BEST deal, rather than say 'it's this or nothing'. It doesn't have to be Corbyn, though he seems the best of a bad bunch in my eyes. If there were a Conservative I trusted (which there has never been, as of yet), I'd be fine with them. I just don't like her 'my way or the highway' attitude. It's not going to have a good outcome. Not for people my age, and not for my family who are struggling as it is.
I'm reluctant to make such a bold prediction on whether or not Corbyn will get near the PM chair. I was wrong about the 2015 elections, Brexit AND Trump. So I'm not gifted in these matters. And, of course, the media have been working overtime to paint him as the loser which may incite the protest voters and the disillusioned like it did for Trump. But I think May is acting arrogantly and gambling an awful lot at the moment. She's refusing to talk to the press, she's not doing TV debates, she's forcing factory workers to watch her speak and then not allowing them to talk to her. There's every possibility that over the next month, that arrogance could spectacularly backfire on her like it did for Hillary. These are unpredictable times.
It's also worth noting my typically-conservative family are on the fence. My brother, especially, is considering abandoning the Tories altogether after the National Insurance nonsense (and the subsequent threats to do it again -- but with added tax hikes). I'd imagine there are many others considering ditching May for the same reason and those numbers could add up.
testing
NHS services across England have been hit by IT failure, believed to be caused by a large-scale cyber-attack.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39899646
this could be Putin! the Tories have been running the NHS down to the bone for years, any problems with NHS during an election campaign would be a disaster for them! It's also one of Labours main policies to have a strong NHS.
Putin could be trying to sway the election in favor of Labour?
this is the BBC news page looks at the moment,
NHS hacked at the top
underneath Corbyn saying his task is keep Britain safe
Which is what was mentioned before, right? Someone suggested Putin would 'help' Corbyn get in or something?
Interesting...
To target NHS is despicable, who ever did this is just pure evil. Hopefully it will backfire at tories for what they have done to NHS. Most media have been disgusting to Jeremy Corbyn, even if his policies are good that would benefit most of people. I cant believe ordinary people are so carried away with the brexit that they will vote for May no matter what. Its like turkeys voting for Christmas. :(