Adding this topic so we can discuss the visions people get and how to use them.
I hope this can go here, I don't know where to put it, so here goes....
@Jeanne
I have a question for those who may have a better beat on this, especially Jeanne. It is something that kind of scares me as it adds a "what's the point of fighting" aspect to it.
For the latest round (September 1st) of predictions, for 2028, Jeanne wrote:
"I see stone building arch, reminds me of Tower of London. I see the Tinman from Wizard of Oz. He needs oil and a heart. I see Vance running for reelection. I see an emperor (an oligarch or an oligarch’s puppet) winning the election. (Jeanne Mayell)"
With this prediction, I've had to look up what the tower of London is, because I have forgotten. And I'm wondering what the tin man has to do with this (I don't understand). Maybe could someone shed some light on this? Is the tinman Vance? Does he actually win by a rigged election (as unpopular as he is and hated as this administration will likley be by 2028)?
If another puppet of Peter Thiel, Curtis Yarvin, Mark Andreeson, and Sam Altman (to name a few of the billionaire class) it raises a question - what's the point? As in what's the point in fighting since they seem to have all the power anyway?
Are we going to get out of this?
will this turn the states inward away from the federal government ? (despite some states have already started - I know that California, Oregon, and Washington state are developing a coalition with each other to replace the CDC, possibly FEMA). If so, that would mean we're possibly on course.
With the prediction of an oligarch or oligarch puppet winning the 2028 elections, it makes me think we won't get out of it (in our lifetiime or in time to stabilize this planet climate-wise). Am I wrong? In that prediction, when I read it there was a clause that said something along the line of "it/this feels rigged", but it was later removed.
However, no prediction is set in stone, and a thank you to Jeanne for this prediction! Because forewarned is forearmed. Thank you !
Whether it be Jeanne or anyone, can someone shed some light on this for clarity?
I will say this. Demand hand recounts - for the midterms and 2028.
Please feel free to move this to a thread you feel would be better suited fot this question and statement.
@rick I want to bump this post because you ask good questions here. People turn to prognostication for hope, to find a light in dark times. But we know, especially with so many election predictions having been wrong, that we can't truly know exactly what is going to happen.
I live in an area that was wrecked and is still in recovery from Hurricane Helene. No one saw that coming, at least not the extent of damage and suffering that the storm caused. If I had seen an accurate prediction, what might I have done differently? Would I have believed it? I don't know. We were prepared to be without power and without water for days, but I don't know that we would have or could have prepared for more than that. Now that we've lived through this experience, we upped our emergency preparedness.
I stopped following this site for a while after the election because I realized that I had been overly relying on hope for things to be better than they are--visions of what might be--as a kind of emotional crutch. I needed time to process living with both the environmental disaster aftermath and the reality of what our nation was facing politically. I needed to pull myself into the present and contend with the grief and fear.
Now, because I genuinely appreciate the lovingkindness and motivations to make a better world within in this community, I check in. And yes, I do wish to see predictions for things to get better sooner than later! I still remember Baba posting a vision of a big shift right before the first impeachment years back. Of course we want reassurance!
How do we live without knowing though? Last November I had to find a way forward. Swaths of my city were in ruins and we did not have potable water, nor did we know when we'd get it back. The hopelessness was magnified--why even try to make the world better when everything is falling apart?
I think of the old story in which a farmer finds a young wild horse on his property and everyone in the village says, "What good fortune!" Then his son is thrown off the horse and breaks his leg, costing the farmer in medical care and lost labor. "Bad fortune," the villagers decry. Then army officers arrive, conscripting young men from the village, and the farmer's son is spared because of the broken leg. And so on it goes. All we can trust is that life will continue to unfold and things will keep changing.
What I decided is that what matters is how I want to show up right now. The outcome is beyond my control. I may never see the kind of world I want for my child, who is only 18, and that hurts. But I can be present wit the pain of this moment and still pick up trash from the road, even though there's probably going to be more trash tomorrow. Living deeply in the present is immensely difficult, and it helps to connect with others trying to do the same. Ultimately, that's where we find freedom.
@herondreams Thank you very much! I loved your reply. Like you, I also really believe it's important to remember that nobody knows exactly what's going to happen in the future. However, we can anticipate some of the potential outcomes. It's also important to remember that our decisions regarding how we use our own creative energy will have a huge impact on our future, and that we can decide how to use our own creative energy at any time, even at the last possible moment before an event occurs — and that this decision may affect the outcome. Whatever decisions we make regarding our creative energies at any time will have a huge impact on our own future. God has also given us the freedom to choose not to participate in an event that is highly likely to happen, even if many others will participate. Miracles can and will happen, and one miracle is no greater or more difficult than another. Therefore, the fact that no one can really know the future is about the freedom of each of our hearts. I truly honor this freedom of each of us. It is about being human.
"I see stone building arch, reminds me of Tower of London. I see the Tinman from Wizard of Oz. He needs oil and a heart. I see Vance running for reelection. I see an emperor (an oligarch or an oligarch’s puppet) winning the election. (Jeanne Mayell)"
With this prediction, I've had to look up what the tower of London is, because I have forgotten. And I'm wondering what the tin man has to do with this (I don't understand). Maybe could someone shed some light on this? Is the tinman Vance?
will this turn the states inward away from the federal government? (despite some states have already started - I know that California, Oregon, and Washington state are developing a coalition with each other to replace the CDC, possibly FEMA). If so, that would mean we're possibly on course.
Hi Rick, I've moved your post to this Consciousness thread because the answers are about consciousness, i.e., the process of prediction interpretation, as is @Herondreams' response.
To get something from a vision it helps not to project your worry onto it, or you’ll distort what it is saying.
At the time that I had that vision I did not know what it meant. The statement about "rigged election" was removed because was a cynical negative quip, an afterthought, not a prediction. There is no place in our predictions for cynical negative cracks which often are wrong. It's best to stick to the vision itself to try to figure it out.
I just looked up the Tin man online and discovered that the author who wrote the Wizard of Oz, (Baum) based his character on men made out of various tin pieces that were used in advertising in late 19th century America and placed in store windows.
So, the tin man represents a fabricated human advertisement!
Also, to win, a candidate must demonstrate that he has a heart. That is not easy to pretend, although we know that some candidates (no names please) have fooled people. He also needs oil. Oil is a huge factor in elections now. It continues to drive the world.
Stone arches represent strength, and stability, an edifice that Americans, feel their country can build from.
The arche of the Tower of London was a bridge, so to win, a candidate may need to be a believable bridge between two worlds, perhaps a bridge-builder or unifier.
The winner being an oligarch or protege of an oligarch does not mean the current V.P. wins. There are several billionaires who could be the winners, including the Illinois governor, who is one of the current dem favorites.
Perhaps that vision encapsulates key conditions for winning the election of 2028. I had not planned to name someone unless I got such a vision that named a winner and that one did not.
Stay tuned!
I woke up in the night and it felt like some very strong (human but remote) entity was attacking my cell phone and trying to get information from it. It felt like I could sense the person or group doing it. So I turned the phone off - not sure that does anything. Real or was I projecting fears? Any thoughts?
@jeanne-mayell I am sensing a deeper archetypal connection to the Tin Man image. Baum wrote 14 Oz books, including “The Tin Man of Oz,” which tells the character’s backstory. The Tin Man was originally a kind hearted woodcutter named Nick Chopper who fell in love with a Munchkin girl. The girl’s guardian didn’t want to lose her servant so she put an evil spell on his axe that caused it to turn against him and chop off his own body parts, which had to be replaced by tin. Because his physical heart was gone, he believed he had lost the capacity to love, which made him very sad, and his tears causes his tin body to rust until he can’t move. Dorothy and her friends find him and use oil to loosen his tin joints so he can move again. And it turns out he didn’t need a physical heart to feel love after all; he had the ability all along and just needed to be reminded of this. So, I see the Tin Man more as a symbol of our country being under an evil spell that is causing it to destroy itself. And the oil isn’t a symbol of money and power, but rather a lubricant that loosens things that are stuck, allowing us to rediscover our ability to love.
As to oligarchs: I think it’s useful to bear in mind that although all oligarchs are billionaires, not all billionaires are oligarchs. Oligarchy is about money and power via corruption and oppression, whereas some billionaires use their money for good.
Visions are deeply personal, and only the person having the vision can truly know what it means, so I hesitated to offer my perspective. If this doesn’t resonate, please feel free to say so.
Welcome to the forum and thank you for such an interesting and thoughtful post. I did not know that back story of the Tin Man and appreciate the thoughts you have on him.
@oceans246 Thank you for your in-depth history of the tin man and your interpretation!
And welcome to the forum!
As for my tin man vision, I think oligarch was the wrong word to describe who won the election. I had pulled the emperor card of the thoth tarot. To me in that moment it meant a person of great power, and I felt that the person had serious wealth and knew how to wield it.
I agree that not all billionaires are oligarchs, but I sensed that the winner was not an every day guy of modest means like Obama or Abraham Lincoln were when they ran for office. The winner was a man who had already achieved great power in business before winning.
It feels right that the tin man in my vision needed oil to treat the rust that made him rigid and unable to move. Thanks for affirming that, rather than focusing on fossil fuels. That said, I’ve had so much experience with my visions and how they unfold, that I wouldn’t put it past spirit to include a double meaning in the oil metaphor. Oil is needed to grease the joints of the 10 man and enable him to get unstuck and move forward. And supporting the oil industry may also be needed for any candidate to win in this country.
The fact that the tin man, who I’ve always loved, and always knew had a good heart, was included in the vision, tells me that the emperor who wins the election is a better human being than you-know-who and you —know-who’s second fiddle.
@jeanne-mayell Jeanne, it's so interesting that you mention Obama and Lincoln, as both are/were from Illinois. So is JB Pritzker, who is a billionaire but also seems to have such a good heart. I think someone else made a prediction that he would win. I think he might too.
Does anyone remember when I posted about an ancient prophecy that is now coming true? It was many years back. Then I did two YouTubes in Dec 2018 and Jan 2019 about it. Here's the second one: https://youtu.be/hGjbefgujOM?si=kRdGtEa2uHKQuSp4. At the time of the YouTube, we were in a shutdown, just like now. So much is the same, only further advanced.
I'm bringing it up now to remind people about the prophecy I'd received that is still in play. Some came true (the crash in the collective consciousness that occurred in 2020), and now I see more than ever the turning towards local away from federal government that I also "saw" coming.
But more important is the part about seeing a spirit guide repeatedly for 15years, a Native shaman, who told me that our community, those who came to me for readings, and later in the website, were from his Native Tribe.
He was a chief and a shaman from the mid or late 1700's who I felt had lived on the land where my home is now. As if to add to my belief in this shaman, I once had a gifted blind student who also was a psychic healer, tell me she saw him in exactly the spot where I had felt he resided just outside my door, although I'd never told her about him. She was so certain she saw him. It was exciting for me. She also felt it important for me to be initiated back into the healing role and so we held a ceremony that I will never forget.
The shaman guide told me that the people coming to see me for readings, classes, and later via the website, were also from that tribe. His main concern was protecting our earth and its plants, animals and people from devastation.
There is so much in that Youtube that applies to where we are now and where we are headed.
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@jeanne-mayell "Oh Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man, that he didn't didn't already have" America is singing in my head as I read your words. I seem to recall you talking about the shaman before.... I told you about "grandfather" my spirit guide that helps me with animals and caring for them as well as trying to protect the lands and water. We fought off a data center, we lost a wildlife management area and current economics have wreaking havoc on the local dog and cat populations. We are also having a lot of wildlife issues and way too many lose their homes to current building boom as we change from rural to metro status.
It feels like so many of us are remembering parts of ourselves that were once dormant, as if the veil between times is thinner now. When I read your story about the shaman guide and the ceremony, it reminded me of the Hopi prophecy’s message about returning to harmony with the land and spirit.
I’ve felt that same pull lately.. almost like an invitation to realign with the earth, to listen again. The idea of a collective “turning toward the local” that you mentioned feels like part of that larger restoration. It’s as if we’re being asked to remember not just individually, but together to reconnect to the old ways of healing and community that honor the sacred balance.
I have always felt different. I tend to be drawn to others who also seem different, but who are struggling in some way. I have wondered at times if it's my job to give these people a boost to their development, or if they are just there to trip me up and waste my time. (Not saying I'm some sort of highly developed person, but maybe just a little ahead of some others as far as waking up?)
I have always felt different. I tend to be drawn to others who also seem different, but who are struggling in some way. I have wondered at times if it's my job to give these people a boost to their development, or if they are just there to trip me up and waste my time. (Not saying I'm some sort of highly developed person, but maybe just a little ahead of some others as far as waking up?)
Yes, in some ways it can be that you are ahead in a certain way and therefore you’ve dealt with some of their struggles,and in some ways, it could be a wisdom you’ve always had that comes to the surface when you are around people carrying burdens or asking questions that stimulate you. We are each blessed with slightly different gifts. we are like pieces of a great puzzle, or facets of a great jewel. So, when we can come together and help each other, we see the whole picture.
Its all very interesting. So a bunch of my friends on Facebook posted "Happy Samhain" in the lead up to that day. And others are increasingly talking about their spirituality and all that.
And it reminds me of how randomly people would say something of a spiritual or 'supernatural' bent back when I was in college and also later at work. Like most people don't suddenly go "so normally there is a presence in that corner over there, but when you are present it is never able to manifest" to me at work. Or "so over there is normally a spirit, but when you are here its never able to be around" while we were having a late night talk in the college lounge.
All the stuff above just had me think about those moments when out of nowhere a person is like "so I believe in x" or "I see x" and you think to yourself, "oh, wow, so something about me made them feel comfortable saying that."
Also it reminded me how multiple people in my life have said something about me, and its not skepticism, I have always believed that there is more to reality than we see, blocking outside phenomena from being able to manifest when I am around.
I will say this, I do sometimes have dreams that feel more than just a dream, like it feels a Dream. I still remember two that still feel so spectacular to me.
Anyway, I'm not sure what made me want to say this, but I've been thinking about the world, the future, the mysterious, etc and yeah I felt like saying it.
JourneyWithMe2 "...we lost a wildlife management area and current economics have wreaking havoc on the local dog and cat populations..."
I hope it is an indication that humans are evolving in a good way, that high kill animal "shelters" are having a terrible time finding ppl to work there. If these ppl love animals and have a desire to care for and protect them, it tears out their hearts when they find themselves part of the machinery that kills those animals that are not adopted quick enough, or which have understandable fear issues and such. As one who has done years of animal rescue and fostering, I've had shelter employees snatch pups out of the kill chamber, and call me to rush over to save puppies' lives and re-home them. I hope humans evolve to have more empathy for the plight of innocent animals, and for the emotional harm killing animals has on shelter workers.
@classictravelr Oh, glad you are making us aware of this situation even if it breaks my heart
@jeanne-mayell "Oh Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man, that he didn't didn't already have" America is singing in my head as I read your words. ..
Every time I read this post of yours, I smile because, although I've known that song since it was first released, I never until now thought about what those words meant. Thank you, dear friend.
I'm also thinking of our friend @coyote as I think about you bringing the Tin Man back here. He popped in for a moment. I think maybe he had a special connection with you? He did with me too. The day he passed was my birthday, and I didn't know he'd passed but was hiking up a mountain alone, except he was there, talking to me or trying to tell me something the whole way up and down. Then I discovered soon after that he had passed. For people who didn't know him, Coyote was his alias. His name was Jack and he was a beloved member of this community, a young man of 27 who'd been with us for five years, but had an illness, and then he succumbed. He was a gifted writer and poet.
@jeanne-mayell 🤗🥹 yes, we did. I smile when I think of how he still reaches out to us.
I just found it poignant that the group with this hit... was the band America...telling us...everything we need/have is already ours....we need no Oz to give it to us.
Think about that for a minute 😊 America... already has ... yes... we still have some rough patches to get through... refining us even more.... as we will turn to embrace each other and create a better world for us all...but the tide? Has turned...🌊. Our frequency 📡 has changed and "Oz" and his flying monkeys are revealing how far gone he ,and they, are in their dementia and ignorance.
Bask in that Hope and Love a little to rise up anew girded for the work ahead.