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@pamp

Pelosi is not a senator. Our senators are Harris & Feinstein. She's a Rep, so she is up for election every 2 years, this one included.  I heard a rumor there's now a 3rd party candidate in her race.

@jessi1978

Yup yup yup. What you describe is what I have been seeing. This makes it even more important that Biden win by a landslide.



   
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@Allyn, your analyses is well appreciated. I understand that it works that way and that change for a party like this is a risk, however, if it stays a two party system how can the US ever truly be a democracy? The power just flip-flops between the two which in turn gives donors all the power (no risk of other parties gaining traction). Even the UK now has a few more minor parties that matter in government...

 

About 90 years ago The Netherlands were firmly entrenched in 4 'pillars' (separate groups) of/in society: protestants, Catholics, liberals/humanists and socialist democrats. This had a large impact on our country for many years and gave rise to at least one political party for each group, which later broke into more. We were taught about this in the 80s as if it was a thing of the past, but even though people now engage which each other and Christianity "doesn't matter" that much anymore, the political parties stayed. This lead to virtually no corruption in politics, because you never know which party gains power. I think we are nr. 5 of least corrupt on the global corruption list.

 

I do think that the States have the segments that started the divide in The Netherlands over a 100 years ago. You have the firm christian base/conservationists, the liberals, far left (not the same as 'our left' by far btw;-), the 'neutrals' and probably more groups I cannot think off. Breaking away from the status quo is the hard one I guess...

 

If anyone is interested to read about the topic of separation of society due to region/politics you can find a nice article on Wikipedia about it called: pillarisation.

 



   
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@hererightnow

I hear it's not only a distraction but a nothing burger. A real nothing burger :)



   
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Oh I think we are going to see a lot of distractions in the next few months.  Anyone notice no mention of the Russian bounty on our military by any Reps?  MoscowMitch is following the Orange ones lead, his latest campaign ad is about losing our historical culture.  At the end of it is a really strange piece that ask why Lenin’s statue is still standing?  Can’t figure out if he is comparing the Confederates with the Bolsvics?  (I know I spelled that wrong).  I have also noticed a new trend of attacking female veterans.  Tucker Carleton should be shot for his attack on Duckworth.  Meanwhile the orange one is getting more and more bizarre.  Someone should educate him (lol I know) on the term “left wing fascist”. Something that doesn’t by definition exist.  They need to be educated on the difference between a memorial and a monument.  
I received  my notice that Mary Trumps book is being released early.  I usually don’t buy books like that but I couldn’t resist that one.  Mrs orange ones former assistant and good friend who was thrown under the bus a year or so ago, has written a tell all about her.  Release date in September.  They are coming out of the woodwork to make a buck before the great fall.

Teh orange ones attach on Bubba Wallace and NASCAR didn’t produce what he wanted.  He called for an apology to “the good drivers” by Bubba.  The drivers stand by their own.  There are very few moonshiners runners in the sport anymore.  Most drivers are business oriented and media savvy.  Not even Car owners Childers and Penske spoke up.  Childers was on the board of the NRA.  When a driver dropped the n word a few month's ago and lost his ride it was due to the sponsors on the car that objected.  NASCAR deals with a lot of big name sponsors that have very specific contracts.

 

oh well we all need to buckle up the next months until November are going to be bumpy.



   
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@allyn  This is a very impressive analysis.  I definitely did not take into consideration of potential leaking of knowledge of the SC decision on taxes.  That I will watch for very carefully.  So two points:  1. Do you have any concerns that if Trump steps down, there is an increased possibility of the WH remaining in Republican hands?  Would their candidate be Pence whom I do not think could win, or would they come up with someone more electable.  (Of course, the ones I think might be electable are usually not favorites among Repugs.  Would Mitt Romney have another chance?)  

2.  You wrote:  (4) Evidence that Trump has paid at least one woman to get an abortion (this would definitely cause the evangelical and pro-life people to turn on Trump, because they pride themselves on being "pro-life" and know that association with someone who paid to have an abortion preformed would kill their movement forever.)  I've thought for a long time that there had to be at least one, otherwise, he'd be paying child support across the nation and he hates to pay money to others.  For your amusement, this came out as a possibility a couple of years ago, so I posted the article on a Trumpite page and asked what he thought.  I was insulted, called vulgar names, and asked to leave the country more than once.  So, if it comes up again with more punch, I suspect they will go absolutely off the rails. While some are already showing Trump fatigue, some will call it a hoax and Sean and Tucker will comfort them with lies.  I guess it would have to do with how much evidence becomes public.

Again, thank you for taking the time to write this.  I'll be reading it a few more times for sure.  Very much appreciate it.  Sharon



   
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I just wanted to jump back on for a second.  I just finished an article by Tim Miller at a Rolling Stone.  He interviewed 9 Rep political strategists working on active campaigns Re the affect of the orange one on their campaigns.  Very interesting.  I’m not good at posting links but it is easy to find.



   
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Impotus has been exposed to Covid-19 during his trip to Mount Rushmore for 4th festivities by two of his traveling companions on Air Force One.  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/south-dakota-governor-exposed-to-virus-joined-trump-on-jet

and.. has anyone seen the most recent The Lincoln Project ads? https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2917021711744186

and

https://youtu.be/z9-JgVgrPD4

Talk about pushing his buttons!! I feel things are going to be moving very very rapidly from this point forward... Mary's book coming out in 7 days now.... Ghislaine Maxwell in custody .... court ruling pending.... I sense a major meltdown is imminent.



   
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And T paid someone to take the SAT on his behalf, his niece Mary Trump writes. https://t.co/izPbIm2c1C



   
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This should be shocking and yet it isn't. Paying his way is how this guy seems to get anywhere in life.



   
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@journeywithme2

How about his buddy in Brazil he tested positive. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/07/americas/brazil-bolsonaro-positive-coronavirus-intl/index.html

Deutch Bank has been fined because of Epstein by NY financial regulators. Someone we know has a bank account there oh yes T. 

New York state financial regulators slapped Deutsche Bank with a $150 million penalty for the bank's "significant compliance failures" in its dealings with late financier Jeffrey Epstein, the accused child sex trafficker.

Deutsche Bank failed to properly monitor Epstein's account activity, regulators said Tuesday, including processing hundreds of transactions totaling millions of dollars that should have prompted additional scrutiny.

The New York State Department of Financial Services said its penalty was the first enforcement action by a regulator against a financial institution for dealings with Epstein.

According to the department, the bank's failings included not scrutinizing payments to Epstein’s publicly alleged co-conspirators in sexually abusing young women; payments to Russian models; payments for women’s school tuition, hotel and rent expenses; direct payments to numerous women with Eastern European surnames (which were consistent with prior public allegations of wrongdoing); settlement payments totaling over $7 million, as well as dozens of payments to law firms totaling over $6 million for apparent legal expenses for Epstein and his co-conspirators.

There were also periodic suspicious cash withdrawals from Epstein's account that failed to prompt scrutiny — in total, more than $800,000 over approximately four years.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/deutsche-bank-hit-150-million-penalty-dealings-sex-offender-jeffrey-n1233055?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma



   
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Posted by: @allyn

And while we are on the subject, I think that Democrats need to make it a priority after the 2020 census to change the redistricting and ensuring that those gerrymandering laws no longer have affect for at least the next decade. 

I completely agree with this, but the federal gov't has no jurisdiction over election districting, so it will need to be handled at the state level either by legislation or through the courts.



   
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@jessi1978  Thank you for this.  For as much as I want him and his minions gone and hesitate to go against the prevailing mood here on the forum, this actually resonates with me.  I've been wondering if perhaps the first vision I posted in the forums (in the Numerology thread) was completely off base - and I am most certainly hopeful that it is - because I could see the Orange One winning in November by a very slim margin.  If the election is forced to go forward without the electors of even a small number of states or if it is forced into the House, that could happen even if (or actually, when) he loses the popular votes in all of the states.  I sincerely hope that I am wrong, but as @jeanne-mayell has said about her own visions, the strength of what I saw has not diminished much in spite of what others have posted since I joined.  I'll be honest, what I wrote back then almost seems to be wavering a bit on the surface, but when I look at the core of it, it still holds.

The only thing I would add to that prediction is that I do think that even if T does pull it out in the end, he cannot and will not last long afterwards, which will give us...*sigh*...Pence for a couple of years.



   
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@triciact

Thank goodness.  



   
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@tgraf66

 

God forbid another 1-4 years with Rump. The thought is unbearable.



   
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And i guess we all know the two who are under conservative scrutiny after recent Supreme Court decisions....

Do you have a news link for this or is there a chance its just spreading social media gossip? 

Hugs to all. Stand strong,  stay safe, be healthy in all ways mind,  body, and especially spirit.

?❤?

 



   
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@michele-b Thank you for pointing out that there was a post with some scary news that came without a link and just set off a lot of emotional responses. Post like that will be removed.



   
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@michele-b

I think what was referred was 2 Supreme Court women are retiring not judges. This was yesterday news.

The Supreme Court said Tuesday that the first-ever women to hold two prominent positions at the court, handling the justices' security and overseeing publication of the court's decisions, are retiring.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-07-07/2-female-firsts-at-the-supreme-court-announce-retirements%3fcontext=amp



   
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@jessi1978

Thank you for the link but since the comment you were referring to was deleted, i am unable to verify what was exactly said.

Another reason we all need to all news references with a link so that site's veracity is at stake not ours here. 

I love the original poster and I love Jeanne who who also commented and probably deleted it as her comment initially indicated.

Your motive is a good one Jessi! And your heart is very good and so dear. I think you might still me the only commenter on my thread on Shadow Selves that i started way way too soon years ago before the group understood that concept. Your motive and need to help others touches my heart.  ?

 

 

 



   
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@tgraf66 @allyn  Yes, but there must be something that the federal government could do.  Make gerrymandering illegal nationally.  Withhold funding for elections in states that don't meet certain standards. Any thoughts?  I'm definitely not a legal scholar, just an optimist.  



   
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@tgraf66  If Trump keeps Pence.  Who knows?  But I digress: I lived in Indiana when Pence was governor.  He did plenty of damage, lied on occasion, and pitted people against one another.  It was generally thought that he accepted the VP offer because his campaign to reelect him as governor was under water.  



   
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