Good morning Everyone, I was up til 2:30am w the news flash, plus my youngest son was texting me about it. I felt hopeful immediately and kind of elated still when I woke up. I really don’t think of her much, but Tiffany keeps popping up and more often as the morning goes on. I hear she’s going to be the sickest out of all of them, and (God forbid) one of Ivanka’s children. As he is w spreading hate and venom, 45 is now a super spreader.
And, irony in the event being a Catholic Charities event that he attended is telling. So many of the faithful blindly ignoring his immorality. Sigh. When will people learn? Now, please!
When I fell asleep at 2:30am, I wondered if this news flash is yet another hoax of his. When I woke up this morning, I felt strongly that, no, it’s real. Yes, he HATES the job and he hates losing even more.
When I posted a quote late last night about karma—that it’s real and a way of balancing the Universe, I was thinking of the people on Fb who are mocking Joe Biden’s stutter (my son has this speech disfluency). But this morning, I realized it was about the Trump clan and their complete disregard for others. And it was kind of funny that I posted on Fb (from my October custom calendar I make) a quote about renewal (Nature dying and coming back to life) and I wrote “Keep Hope Alive.” Weird huh?
I wish illness and death on no one and ask that hard hearts are now softened, vulnerable, and humbled. Amen.
It could be a way to get the Evangelicals to "pray" for him and thereby send him energy that he needs right now to plow though the bad press and obstacles he's experiencing as we get closer to the election.
While it could be a ploy to get out of another debate, in his mind he won and is the best debater ever so why would he want to miss the chance to "win" again.
While the guy lies every time he opens his mouth, I think there would be something poetic and karmic about him being taken down by "Hope" so I'm apt to believe he did contract it. We're also entering a time when many in this forum have predicted his decline. Perhaps the shell of dark magick protecting him is finally starting to crack.
Hes just saying that he has covid to make himself look bad.
If he didn't get tested he wouldn't have it.
He got it from wearing a mask.
It affects almost nobody.
Hes part of the radical anarchist left trying to destroy America and its a hoax created by Kamala Harris and Cory Booker.
I dont know how he got it. I told Covid to stand back and stand by.
Lock covid up!
Perhaps some in his base will take Covid-19 more seriously now that their "invincible messiah" has contracted it. If he gets serious symptoms and not just the mild or asymptomatic ones perhaps it will be a reality check for them. If he doesn't get serious symptoms they will just continue to write Covid off as being no more serious than the flu.
Sadly, there are some in his base who will never be swayed to accept science or reality.
Now for the serious post.
I dont think this is a game. He tweets when he is scared and needs to feel powerful. He is scared to death of this right now. Also, being the severe germaphobe he is, combined with his narcissism, this has to be taking a huge toll psychologically. This very well could be the breaking point for him.
I always turn to Heather Cox Richardson for a concise summary and I will share this now: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/october-1-2020
I just read(ton of articles I just read so cant remember which one said it) that he was experiencing mild symptoms right now. If he and Pence are supposedly tested daily and they have access to results within a couple hours, how did it progress to being symptomatic before a positive test was found?
There are 3 possibilities for this-1. It was hidden until he became symptomatic and they had to release it. 2. They arent tested daily as claimed. Or 3. It advanced immediately to the point of symptoms, which has been linked to more severe cases, although there is not enough scientific evidence to make a definite determination.
I wonder which it is.
Calling all card Tarot students and card readers especially those who read the Thoth deck. This timeline spread on Trump I posted in July shows so much. I had thrown a card for each week from July onward:
Last week of Sept: Magus (Magician) See how he is so happy and victorious the last week of September, proclaiming he'd won the debates.
First week of October, he got the Interference card - totally blocked.
Second week of December, Ace of Disks -- he moves out of the White House when the Electoral College elects Biden
Last week of January: Knight of Cups: he's in la-la land, living in an alternate reality.
Well.....Trump has gotten "mild" symptoms from the liberal hoax?
Interesting.....
So what does this mean for everyone?
Simply put, it depends on how the next few weeks go.
So let's go through the various scenarios:
1. Trump is faking the disease and "recovers" quickly. He garners the sympathy vote and behaves himself for the duration of the election. The Democrats, who have damaging information on Trump, hold off releasing it, fearing that they will face backlash for attacking a sick man. Trump wins.
First of all, this scenario will NEVER happen! If (and this is a very big IF) Trump is simply faking the Covid-19 virus in an attempt to avoid the debates and/or garner sympathy from the undecided voters, this will not work. As we know, this country is severely divided. To demonstrate this, ask yourselves this question:
How many of you will vote for Trump because he got Covid-19?
(*Crickets chirping in the background*)
Yeah, I thought so. And it is not surprising given Trump's behavior. Remember when he called the virus a hoax? Or admitted to a reporter that he deliberately downplayed the virus? Or made fun of McCain both before and after his death (as well as suggesting McCain is in hell)? Or make fun of a reporter for his disability? Or deliberately withheld and/or slowed aid to states like Michigan and New York because they were blue states? Or when he encouraged his followers to march against the Michigan governor for the quarantine measures she introduced to try to save lives? Or when he bragged about how great he did even after over 7 million people got the virus and over 200,000 people died?
Anyway, I don't think Trump will fake having the virus. After cultivating his image of being a strongman and putting questions about Biden's health, his ego is such that he simply can not let that go, even if it may help him.
2. Trump has the virus and suffers complications. The Republican establishment tries to temporarily install Pence as President until Trump recovers. If Trump is still conscious, he will unleash his followers against the "disloyal" Republican leaders. If he is unconscious, then Pence takes over until Trump recovers. Trump then retaliates against everyone who helped Pence take over while he was sick. In the meantime, Trump loses the election.
This is a scenario that I would greatly enjoy watching, as it would pit Trump against McConnell and hurt both sides. As I stated previously, I don't see Trump garnering a "sympathy" vote even if he really suffers from the Covid-19 virus. While it would help the Republicans to have Trump silenced for a while (thus pivoting the news to the Supreme Court battle and less on Trump), remember that voters will also keep in mind that they don't want to vote for a leader who might very die and/or be considerably weakened in the future. Trump himself made this an issue when he attacked Biden's age and alleged poor health. He can't turn it around and say that he deserves to remain President when he has been so busy attacking Biden (and Clinton in 2016) for being in too poor health to serve as President.
This scenario is possible, but unlikely, because it means that Republicans would have to grow a spine. I think that if Trump was on a ventilator, they would still try to hide it and give the impression that Trump is in charge. Even if they are forced to name Pence as temporary President, they know that if Trump recovers, he will inevitably go after them for daring to replace him, even for a moment. Again, his ego is such that any evidence showing that he is less than perfect simply can't be tolerated.
3. Trump dies. Pence takes over. Biden wins the election.
I hate to say this, but this would be the best possible outcome for the country. While I don't want Trump to die (not out of any sympathy for him but simply because I don't want him to have the privilege of having his funeral televised and for him to be moralized as some sort of hero for the right), it cannot be denied that if Trump is out of the picture completely, he can no longer incite his followers to commit violence against the rest of us. Also, with Trump dying, the chances of the country healing afterwards is much higher.
And no, if Trump dies, Pence will not be elected President in his place. Pence has the personality of a log and is cold and unfeeling. The idea that he can incite Trump's followers with the same intensity that Trump can is impossible.
Technically, if Trump dies before the election, this will actually favor the Republicans. Without Trump being on the ballot, enough voters whose sole purpose for voting is to get rid of Trump and his allies might not turn out as much if the source of their ire is gone. This could save several Republican senators. But by the same reasoning, if Republicans do not come out in force because Trump is no longer on the ballot, then it comes down to voter enthusiasm. And with the Supreme Court vote going on, I give the edge to Democrats, but barely.
4. Trump suffers from the Covid-19 virus. Regardless of the severity of his symptoms, he is kept in isolation for two weeks. This keeps him from being nears his beloved followers and his rallies. He can still address the nation via TV or twitter if he needs to, but this will likely backfire as he has no self-discipline and is more likely to enrage voters with his cruelty than anything else. He becomes depressed as the stock market goes down because of the uncertainty and because he can't live in his fantasy world where he is surrounded by his devoted followers. The October 15, 2020 debate is canceled. Biden holds a town hall meeting instead and connects to voters.
In the meantime, Democrats and Trump's enemies continue their plans to release damaging information and stories about Trump aver the next few weeks, regardless of Trump's health. While there is some backlash about how evil the "liberals" are for attacking a sick man, this will backfire because it would also force the Republicans to admit that Trump is a sick man and thus uncertainty will result as people question whether Trump can continue to be President.
The damaging stories continue to run, and sometime between October 15-October 22, Trump will make a decision. If he finally realizes that he may lose the electoral college and the popular vote by a lot, then he may make an announcement that he has to resign due to health reasons (he may say that his lungs were damaged from Covid-19), which would allow him to walk out with some semblance of dignity and to make sure that he is not labeled a "loser." Republicans try to capitalize on the fact that Trump is no longer on the ballot, but the Supreme Court vote will drive people to vote against Republicans anyway.
Option 4 is the one I see as most likely to happen. As we discussed with Trump before, he seems to be protected by evil forces, so the idea that he would die from Covid-19 would surprise me. He has access to the best doctors, and the only way I see him dying from Covid 19 is if the ghosts of the 200,000 plus victims from Covid-19 somehow took vengeance on him and overcame the dark protection he has. So while the virus is unlikely to kill him, it can make him more vulnerable to depression, as it would keep him isolated from his followers. And the depression may weaken his resolve to stay.
If Trump sees Biden wining by 10-15 points nationally on or about October 22, 2020, then he may resign by that time. With the clock ticking and knowing that he can't "run out the clock" as he has done with legal matters in the past, Trump will evaluate his position. He may be secretly pressured by McConnell and other Republicans to leave quietly (unlikely, seeing as how Republicans never challenge him), or he may seek to resign before the election and then gloat when the Republicans lose badly while bragging that if he had been on the ballot, they would have won. Remember, Trump holds a grudge like no one else, and he may do so simply because McConnell didn't kiss his ring one time. Trump is most decidedly NOT known for loyalty for anyone, and he loves chaos. So he might have incentive to resign before the election. But he also knows that he needs to resign BEFORE the election and allow Pence to pardon him and his family then. Remember, Ford pardoned Nixon before the election, and no one has ever challenged it.
But let's say Trump goes through the election and loses. Then he resigns and puts Pence in as President to allow Pence to pardon him.
THIS CAN BE CHALLENGED!
Remember, Ford pardoned Nixon before the election. Democrats could take it to the Supreme Court and argue that the Constitution does not grant Trump the ability to install Pence as President because he is technically not President after losing on November 3, 2020. Yes, his term doesn't officially end until January 20, 2021, but while it is established that a President can install the VP to take over and pardon him, it has only been done by a President who was still undisputedly the President. In other words, if Trump loses after November 3, 2020, resigns, and then has Pence pardon him, then the Democrats have a valid argument that Trump does not have the authority to do so, as allowing such would allow more corruption in the future.
While the Supreme Court is admittedly corrupt because of the recent Republican additions, I still think that Roberts (and Gorsuch) may take the literal reading of the Constitution and rule against Trump in this issue, as they have no further fear of him.
The only sure way Trump can avoid a challenge is to resign prior to the election and let Pence pardon him. Again, he wins with his fantasy of being a "winner" intact because he doesn't have to face the fact that the majority of America hates him and basically "fires" him from office. Also, he can ensure that any pardon issued by Pence will likely not be challenged at that stage.
(Note: Trump would still face state charges in New York, as a pardon can't shield him from state charges, but he may hope to "run out the clock" and garner sympathy from the public to avoid a prison sentence).
There are 3 possibilities for this-1. It was hidden until he became symptomatic and they had to release it. 2. They arent tested daily as claimed. Or 3. It advanced immediately to the point of symptoms, which has been linked to more severe cases, although there is not enough scientific evidence to make a definite determination.
I wonder which it is.
Good summary. At least two people who were at the announcement about Barret last Saturday have announced they are positive. They are the president of Notre Dame and Congressman Lee. (CNN reported that Barrett actually had Covid-19 over the summer).
So that would mean that there is indeed a possibility that Trump was infected at least since last Saturday. His voice sounded kind of hoarse on Wednesday night at his rally, so he may have been having the beginnings of symptoms then.
There are still two things that I am worried about, as we have no information. First, we don't know what Putin and others have over Trump. They may want Trump to stay on so that when the time comes to pay his debts (particularly for Trump Tower, which is due sometime in 2022) or when the IRS finally says he owes millions in unpaid taxes, he can't empty the treasury to pay them back or do "favors" (such as look the other way while Russia starts invading its neighbors) to forgive part or all the debt. So Trump's obligations may be such that he will stay on no matter what.
Second, we don't know what information Trump's enemies has against him that they are waiting on. While I firmly believe that there is more out there, I worry that Democrats may hold back, for fear of backlash if they attack a "sick man." I sincerely hope not. Did Republicans not relish hurting Hillary when Comey released that letter saying he was planning to re-investigate Clinton three days before the election? If there is ever a time for Democrats to stop using the moral high ground, it is now. If Trump is still around on November 3, 2020, then he will stop at nothing to win. He will unleash troops against protestors (he has already done so), he will cheat and/or delay in every way possible to stay in power. And if Trump succeeds, then the next four years will be so, so much worse. He will go after everyone he sees as his enemy, and he will bankrupt the country to the point that we will collapse. For this reason, the Democrats cannot show him any mercy. They must make his next few weeks so miserable that he will want to resign. If they are smart, they will do so.
Does anyone get the feeling that Trump is not positive (its a lie)?
Haven't read anyone posts since this am, so forgive this sudden out of nowhere post.
@UnkP who is on a posting hiatus sent me a note this morning saying he thinks Trump is lying. That jerked me out of my often gullible nature and I had these thoughts:
He does not feel sick to me yet. When I tune into him at this moment, he's just talking to those around him and he seems normal except he is talking in very low tones which is not typical of him. He even seems okay that he's created this distraction because after the debate, he began to hear from Republicans that they were not happy with him. I can't tell yet if his body has the virus. Need some space from daily appointments to read this better.
I'd pulled that Knight of Cups for the end of January, and it can mean death, but it can also mean he's off on another pie in the sky project. So I am unsure and I do not predict people's deaths anyway. More later.
@jeanne-mayell when I heard the news he had Covid I was very skeptical and I think all of us are. I didn’t want to push the negative feelings out therefore I am holding back my thoughts and posts. I feel there could be some truth however he enjoys telling lies to fit his narrative and just like you said to get sympathy from others therefore it’s difficult to tell. I am scared that this is a all part of his tactics to deflect from the narrative since Biden is winning at the polls and perhaps it’s because he’s too scared to do another two rounds of debate. It could be he’s lying about it but will end up having it or he’s sick with something else and wanted to use Covid as a cover up. Somehow it’s just a little too convenient. I’m putting out positive prayers and hoping that it’s not another deception of his. We shall see.
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Supposedly he is being transferred to Walter Reed Hospital. One could try to verify whether he was actually admitted. But if he were going to lie about being sick, why choose Covid? It undermines his whole thesis that Covid is not a big deal, not contagious and those who wear masks are weak liberal snowflakes. He could choose any illness...this choice rebuts so much of his insane dis information campaign...I am not an empath or psychic so I defer to you...but logically this choice does not make sense.