@laura-f - Another factor to consider and we are seeing it, is the changing demographics. The incoming congress is very diverse. More voices are being heard from all groups. Also the younger generations are coming of age and have a vision for a different future. Yes, it will take time to unravel the damage and build new and better systems. I have faith and belief that the younger generations will make the change to create the world and nation they want to live in. I will support them with my vote and my voice. Take heart, we can do this. ?
Laura F., Clinton wasn't convicted, only impeached. (ie house voted to impeach, Senate voted to acquit, exactly like Trump).
Man you'd think that the orange one would have learned from the few times he got caught red handed on tape saying something stupid. But no, he went and did it again.
I know that its a priority for him to stay relevant, but someone must have advised him agaisnt that cause it's just legally damning at this point. It just plain stupidity.
I am upset by the amount of republicans that are willing to put their careers before our country, these senators who are willing to play with the legitimacy of our democracy are scum.
To piggy back on what y'all said, something that worried me about trump was not his tendencies toward being an authoritarian but if a few successors down the line, a smarter man will succeed where trump failed. Hopefully democracy stands firm in the next few decades.
Man you'd think that the orange one would have learned from the few times he got caught red handed on tape saying something stupid. But no, he went and did it again.
That's because, despite being caught, he has yet to face any real repercussions for his crimes. And yes, he was impeached -- but so what? Until these criminals face actual, serious consequences, they will continue to do whatever they want (and do so brazenly) -- and that goes for not only Trump, but whoever succeeds him in the GOP.
I pray the new AG will prosecute these people, because "moving forward" is only possible if the law is applied to all Americans, the rich included.
Unfortunately I remain cynical, which is why I have been silent around here as of late. May I be wrong.
You are correct except that a conviction in Impeachment does not equal removal from office, otherwise Bill Clinton would have left. He was impeached/convicted for lying to Congress ("I did not have sex with that woman"), he never left office, completed two terms, in fact.
With Twitler, we did have Impeachment Hearings. The Senate then voted to acquit him of the charges, so you are correct in that he was not impeached per se, just accused and tried.
I am very sorry but you are incorrect about the result of Bill Clinton’s impeachment. He was acquitted by the senate. Had he been convicted, he absolutely would have been out of office right away. To date three presidents have been impeached with none convicted (Andrew Johnson, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump), and one president has resigned before he could be impeached because he was made aware by members of his own party that he would be convicted and removed from office (Richard Nixon).
From the link below: “Five weeks later, on February 12, the Senate voted on whether to remove Clinton from office. The president was acquitted on both articles of impeachment. The prosecution needed a two-thirds majority to convict but failed to achieve even a bare majority. Rejecting the first charge of perjury, 45 Democrats and 10 Republicans voted “not guilty,” and on the charge of obstruction of justice the Senate was split 50-50. After the trial concluded, President Clinton said he was “profoundly sorry” for the burden his behavior imposed on Congress and the American people.”
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-clinton-impeached
I deeply respect you Laura but being pessimistic just feeds the darkness.
We must believe and hope and pray and send light. Or else the dark will expand.
As my favorite poet Dylan Thomas famously wrote, rage rage against the dying of the light.
I believe we will win
I believe that we will win
I believe in the light.
You are correct except that a conviction in Impeachment does not equal removal from office, otherwise Bill Clinton would have left. He was impeached/convicted for lying to Congress ...
Yes, Clinton was impeached. No, he was never convicted of anything. Both he and Trump were impeached, i.e., charged or indicted, but never convicted of any crime. Your use of the term "conviction" with the word "Impeachment" is causing confusion. Both Clinton and Trump didn't leave office only because neither was found guilty in the Senate trial. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-clinton-acquitted
You are correct except that a conviction in Impeachment does not equal removal from office, otherwise Bill Clinton would have left. He was impeached/convicted for lying to Congress ...
Yes, Clinton was impeached. No, he was never convicted of anything. Both he and Trump were impeached, i.e., charged or indicted, but never convicted of any crime. Your use of the term "conviction" with the word "Impeachment" is causing confusion. Both Clinton and Trump didn't leave office only because neither was found guilty in the Senate trial. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-clinton-acquitted
Exactly. Impeachment is simply the "political" version of indictment. They have to be convicted by the Senate to be removed from office. Here is the text from Article II of the Constitution:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.[2]