Thanks Jeanne, We studied the club of Rome in my geography classes back in the 90s.
I don't think climate change can be stopped now, there's no way the world's economies can change enough in such a short space of time. Having a third of the world shut down over covid barely even changed the dial.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-53681096
Governments are slow to act and western / developing economies will be even slower to make changes after the economic fall out from covid.
America is just one country and it can't stop climate change on it's own. The future predictions show a climate disaster about to unfold?
and in previous threads I think you said 2020 was a dress rehearsal for what's to come?
@stu, thank you for your perspective. I have many visuals of the long term future. Since it is not cast in concrete, because we can change it, I am holding off on going there. If Biden wins and we see substantial progress towards sustainability, then visions will be more reliable. But I'm not saying anything here you don't already know.
And there is hope, because there are pathways to the future that we don't know about yet.
I feel it's a certainty that all the glaciers will melt and seas will rise 230 feet. I don't think it is worth the money to try to save cities with sea level barriers. Also sea level rise is probably the most benign part of climate change, even though it means all of the coastal cities and properties for miles inland will be gone with all of their history.
But there are many pathways to a better outcome if we can get the right people in power.
I said that covid was a dress rehearsal for climate change because both covid and climate change were growing exponentially. we learned from the exponential growth of covid that we can't wait to see a natural disaster with our own eyes before we take action. We have to take action much earlier. Although the president ignored covid, many government leaders and public health leaders did act to prevent an even worse outcome than we had. Covid cases were doubling quickly to the shock of many. Well, climate change is escalating along similar exponential curves. Many have learned from Covid to act when science tells us what is coming.
@jeanne-mayell , from the investment point of view, the stock market has crashed in 2020 but it is at all time highs now, do you think it is sustainable? And also what about the dollar?
I've seen some posts on this forum about hyperinflation and depression in past couple of years, did the timelines changed or are we still going to experience depression?
@deetoo I'd appreciate your input too. Thanks!
@newb We will have to see what happens during the next Read the Future night. I'm going to set it for February 8. I had seen the 2020 crash coming, but I didn't think it would crash in 2021. I had felt that we'd be slowly working our way back to wholeness by 2028. I now realize I was seeing Collective well-being, not the stock market. Yes the markets did crash in 2020, but they came back. The Collective well being crashed and we are on our way back, but it will take time. The stock market is not related to collective well-being any more. Maybe it never was.
@jeanne-mayell The stock market is for big companies, they should be fine. The problem is small business, bars, restaurants, shops a lot of employees not getting their tips. A lot of the people who were upset in Washington DC were small business owners along with the racists and fascists. Main street is the big problem.
Recent polls have shown that people trust big business more than government.
Capitalism is the true American religion, and it is, naturally, a false God. The painful course correction in the Collective is divorced entirely from our contemporary measurements of "the economy". I personally would argue that the Happiness Index is not just the most important economic statistic, it is the only important one. And it's not very high right now... though probably higher today than it was yesterday!! Tee-hee!!
@walden-ponderer My mother fell down the Trump rabbit hole and anytime I brought up one of his numerous crimes she said "Boy, but the stock market sure is doing well." As if 1) I had money in the stock market, and 2) All of that excused the bad actions.
I anticipate a market correction at some point. This isn't a intuitive prediction, it's a long overdue economic reality. This growth isn't based on sustainable holdings. I'm hopeful it won't be huge (My guess is, if we track what the Obama era economy was on track for, we'll see it bottom out somewhere around 24-25,000) I'm also hopeful it'll be recognized for what it is, and not as a result of Biden policy (in my mind, the sooner the correction the better - I mean, people still try to pin the great recession on Obama even though it was Bush era policies falling apart, and Obama wasn't even President when it started.) No doubt the right will pin anything bad that happens on Biden and say anything good that happens was a result of Trump era policies.
We have GOT to get a stimulus that goes to working Americans passed and quickly. NO MORE HANDOUTS TO CORPORATIONS. Trickle UP economics folks. Let's make that a thing.
I personally would argue that the Happiness Index is not just the most important economic statistic, it is the only important one. And it's not very high right now... though probably higher today than it was yesterday!! Tee-hee!!
@walden-ponderer I agree whole heartedly with you about the happiness index! Happiness is what I believe spirit was showing me back in 2013 when I saw a graph of the future. I believe that collective happiness is going to be the new barometer we will use rather than the stock market to measure our well being.
Also I think that poll you mention is misleading, if they are touting that people trust business more than government.
My empathy-radar tells me that trust in business ranges widely among the population but is mostly low, along with people's trust in all big institutions, including government.
People feel disenfranchised, forgotten, that the big power players don't care about them. People feel that big business is about profit only. That the only thing that protects people from business vulturism is businesses need to protect their brands.
I did find the business poll you mentioned and it's one huge poll by a pro-business public relations company. https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-trust-in-business-than-in-government-and-media-survey-finds-11610533801
here is the direct information by the firm: https://www.edelman.com/trust/2021-trust-barometer
My husband and I are having intermittent conversations on where we'd go if we have to leave California because we couldn't afford to stay. Somewhere cold and isolated... but not Canada (LOL I totally would, but he's opposed to emigrating and it would have to be up to him to get work there).
I think it's been said on here before that the great lakes could be a soft landing spot if climate change becomes more apparent towards 2030 as it's a good freshwater resource.
During a reading in 2013, I saw the Great Lakes as a mecca in the future. I posted it here in a few different places.Then I later discovered they are the largest body of fresh water in the world.
@jeanne-mayell Jeanne's prediction of the Great Lakes region becoming a center point for migration due to climate change has been mentioned here many times. I just saw a headline this morning about a new book mentioning this:
Michigan will be the best place to live by 2050 because of climate change, new book says
Here is the link to the book on Amazon:
Move: The Forces Uprooting Us, by Parag Khanna
It looks like an interesting read - I majored in geography years ago, so the discussion of human geography and migration is particularly interesting to me. Thought some of you here might be interested as well.