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It seems to me that trump has everything on his side.  He can tell people not to testify even if he commits a crime. i'm not seeing things turn the Dems way if trump can stop everything. What good  are subpoenas if they are ignored. How can they get them to honor the subpoenas?  I know go to court, but that might take months.



   
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From where I sit, 45 has nothing on his side. His deteriorating health will work against him, as well as his inflexible mindset. He is cornered; he will be indicted once he is no longer in office. 

 



   
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Earlier this evening the NY Times reported that a second intelligence official is weighing whether he should also blow the whistle and tell what he knows about the T-Ukraine deal.  He has already been interviewed by the Inspector General to corroborate the original whistleblower's account.

I should feel happy and hopeful hearing this.  But suddenly all of this news began to overwhelm me.  It's moving fast and furious.  Too hard to keep up.  Stressful.  And no way of knowing for sure how it will play out. 

Then I looked outside my window and saw a beautiful crescent moon.  I ventured outside on my deck to get a closer look.  Everything was so clear -- the moon, the planets and stars.  Gorgeous.  I slowly inhaled the cool, crisp air. Then I remembered something I saw on my porch earlier in the day -- a large, intricately patterned spider web, illuminated by the sunlight.  I don't think I've ever seen a spider web so large.  Quite beautiful.  And I knew at that moment that they all will be caught in their web of deceit.  

That's all that I need to know.



   
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Grassley is a horse's petuti.



   
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Posted by: @polarberry

Grassley is a horse's petuti.

That made me snort my coffee! Lol



   
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Lilinoe, I too was picking up on Nancy not really wanting the presidency. It feels like she knows that her role is to take him down, but after that she's done. I could see Schiff as the temporary president.



   
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@lawrence

Regarding your dream, I fear that is exactly what is happening. Trump is a fraud. He is a money launderer for Russian oligarchs (the Russian mob state). And the Saudis bailed him out of bankruptcy twice. They own him. This should have been covered by our media, but they failed us by not reporting it. It’s a complex web to unravel and most news organizations didn’t want to touch it. It is publicly available knowledge, but one has to dig to find it. David Corn wrote an article exposing this. Here is another:

https://www.google.com/amp/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html

Everything he does seems to benefit Putin and the Saudis. He likely did not want to allow any funding to help Ukraine, bc of Putin. Trump knew he could bully them bc they needed our help. Apparently, according to reporting today, he’s trying to coerce multiple foreign nations to provide dirt on Biden and Warren. If so, this proves it is all political and for his own benefit.

I believe we need to pray for a smooth transition of power away from both Trump and Pence. I would be relieved with anyone who isn’t compromised and who’s willing to root out the corruption. I prefer to pray and meditate on the blue wave I feel is coming. I believe this will happen. We will need to work together to heal the nation. But I do think we will emerge and heal from   this. It will force us to excise the corruption and evolve into a nation more reflective of our values. Will be sending love and healing to all in this group and to the nation.



   
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 lynn
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Posted by: @deetoo

Earlier this evening the NY Times reported that a second intelligence official is weighing whether he should also blow the whistle and tell what he knows about the T-Ukraine deal.  He has already been interviewed by the Inspector General to corroborate the original whistleblower's account.

I should feel happy and hopeful hearing this.  But suddenly all of this news began to overwhelm me.  It's moving fast and furious.  Too hard to keep up.  Stressful.  And no way of knowing for sure how it will play out. 

Then I looked outside my window and saw a beautiful crescent moon.  I ventured outside on my deck to get a closer look.  Everything was so clear -- the moon, the planets and stars.  Gorgeous.  I slowly inhaled the cool, crisp air. Then I remembered something I saw on my porch earlier in the day -- a large, intricately patterned spider web, illuminated by the sunlight.  I don't think I've ever seen a spider web so large.  Quite beautiful.  And I knew at that moment that they all will be caught in their web of deceit.  

That's all that I need to know.

I love your spider web, Deetoo.  It feels very fitting.

 

There's a writer and scholar named Sarah Kenzior (her Twitter feed is necessary daily reading) who refers to many foreign governments as transnational criminal organizations masquerading as governments.  When I first started to visit this site after the 2016 elections, I kept reading Jeanne's posts where she referred to the oligarchs, and I wasn't really sure I understood, but I see clearly now. Most of the governments of the world are really just criminal organizations looting their countries for personal gain. Our government, while controlled by the wealthy in many respects, has avoided this extreme, but is teetering on it now. Fighting further descent is the battle of our lives.

 



   
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I feel there is a good chance Trump will not be impeached.

Remember this all has to do with evidence, and so far Trump is winning the war of words here.

Ron Johnson a GOP senator was in the loop all along and was concerned but as soon as Trump convinced him it was all about 'corruption' Ron Johnson ate that up, and now is defending Trump.

I think many of you want the same thing I do.  we all want Trump gone.  I also think the passion is so strong for him to disappear, we maybe reading too much into that.

I am very cautious, and I don't assume anything when it comes to American politics.  Trump is a bully and so far he's been able to duck and weave and dodge every bullet that has come his way.

 

Trump is an evil genius.

 

https://time.com/5693301/senator-ron-johnson-trump-ukraine-aid-deal/



   
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Good Morning all.  I noticed noone has posted the amazing news that the WH has appointed a head of the "quick response team" for the impeachment.  Yes the new Ring Leader for the Dump Circus is none other than = DRUM ROLL PLEASE= Jarad Kusner! If I didn't spell his name right, I really don't care.  Who better than a non-principled, cold hearted, super greedy a$$$p!  If this wasn't so ridiculous it would be funny.  Once again the same old stradegy, these people have no imagination.  Lie, Lie, Lie, distract distract, distract-deny!   I wonder if they honestly think tht the Dems are that stupid.  Do they honestly think Pelosi and Schiff don't have concrete evidence of what he has done, or should I say what they have done.  The BS about nepitism re the Bidens isn't going to work.  All they have to do is point to the Dump spawn and then the Barr spawn and than the Rudy spawn, all of whom work for the WH in one form or another and all have taken advantage of the situation.  All will go down with the ship and have their careers trashed. BooHoo. These people are greedy,unprincipled and their arrogance knows no bounds.  I believe they will all fall and they will fall fast and hopefully far.  

I agree with @deetoo things are going so fast i have a headache trying to keep up.  So I decided not to keep up.  I read the headlines and of course this site but I don't spend a long time on any of it.  I believe they will drag this out until at least the end of the year with the WH shoving every obstilce they can at the procedure.  But in the end they will lose and i think they know they will lose.  They are just hopeing they can ramp up their base with lies and cause as much trouble as they can.  Dump looks like a heart attack waiting to happen.  I believe you will see more and more people leave the administration and not be replaced. Dump announced a drastic cut to the Ntional Security staff as a result of the whistleblowers.  Theres a great stradegy.  If there isno one in the department no one can tell on him  AHHHHHHH!  I am so sick of stupid.

Oh well enough.  I need to start my day.  Have a great weekend everyone and keep the light  going.



   
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Baba, sounded classier than ass lol

KUDOS to whomever it was that predicted the indictment of Sessions.  There is a tweet this morning from Scott Stedman of forensicnews.net, a small start-up news company-

"Holy shit. Just released e-mail shows that the Russian lawyer's lawyer passed along a message from Russian lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin that suggests he met with Sessions in 2016. This will prove he lied under oath."

I would love to see him indicted.  He lied and smirked through his entire hearing.



   
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Who does the following sound like?

"Crime committed brazenly is over time redefined as something other than crime.  It is entertainment, and then it is autocracy, and then it is too late." -- Hiding in Plain Sight, Sarah Kenzior, to be released 4/2020"

@lynnventura, I love Sarah Kenzior.  They feature her a lot on MSNBC.  I'm also interested in reading Rachel Maddow's new book "Blowout:  Corrupted Democracy, Rogue State Russia, and the Richest, Most Destructive Industry on Earth."  To the best of my understanding, the book details the history of the fossil fuel industry and how it has corrupted world economies and the environment.  The money that's made goes to the oligarchs, and it does not trickle down.  This is what motivates Putin, and ties into how and why T. got elected.  

@mayberrystars, Right now I sense that the House will impeach, but only a scant few Rethug senators will vote yes -- not enough to impeach.  But I still see T. gone -- whether he be hauled out in a straight jacket, physical illness, he quits, whatever.  

 



   
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@deetoo

Yes, T is finished one way or another. The remainder of the year will be politically devastating for him. And his health is hanging on by a thread. Many of the greedy idiots surrounding him will also go down and will be punished. Karma has caught up to them. They have no real power. Just appearances.

 



   
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@mayberrystars

Perhaps the senate won't convict, but the house will impeach. Remember that impeachment is what the house votes on (like and indictment) and that's sent to the senate for a trial. The senate then decides whether to convict (which removes the president) or acquit.

I agree that conviction looks like a long shot now, but impeachment is more certain, in my opinion.  In the meantime, trump's prospects continue to look bad, including health-wise, as Lawrence has predicted. So it's possible he leaves some other way.  Even if he stays, he'll always have the asterisk of impeachment next to his vile name in the history books. 



   
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@lynnventura,  I tend to use the two words "impeach" and "convict" interchangeably when I speak about the Senate's role, but that's not accurate.  Thanks for clarifying!  



   
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@lynnventura

I think you may not have read all what I wrote.  I commented there is a good chance the house won't impeach.

let me clarify... there is a good chance the house won't be able to bring articles of impeachment due to the lack of solid evidence.

Trump wins on his war of words.

I hope you're all right about Trump being impeached whether senate convicts or not.  if the senate refuses to convict based on lack of evidence from the house, Trump stays in the White House until he is either re-elected or not.

This situation of Trump is much harder to predict.  Remember when psychics everywhere predicted Hillary would win???

it wasn't that long ago and I have a theory as to why that happened with Hillary

 

blame it all on the planet Uranus which is equivalent to the Tower card in whichever tarot deck.

 

Uranus will be hanging around for the next 80 years.  Not good

 

 



   
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@mayberrystars

Got it. I just thought maybe you were using impeach and convict interchangeably. My mistake.

My head says there's no way the house doesn't impeach. There's just too much evidence out there, and people have stared turning on each other. That said, I am way too emotionally involved in all of this to get an accurate feeling about it.

When trump was first elected, I had a strong sense that he'd be a one-term president, and that if his four years were a disaster that would pave the way for 8 years of a democratic administration it would be worth it. I'm not so sure now. I never could have imagined all the ways he would take a sledgehammer to laws, norms, rules, etc. I am astounded on a daily basis at the stuff he does -- things that no president before him would have even considered. So we are in a perilous situation now, but things can turn on a dime, and I hope they will.  

As for Uranus, OMG, I can even digest that right now. Eighty years of this kind of chaos is too much to absorb. I need a nap.



   
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Posted by: @polarberry

Baba, sounded classier than ass lol

KUDOS to whomever it was that predicted the indictment of Sessions.  There is a tweet this morning from Scott Stedman of forensicnews.net, a small start-up news company-

"Holy shit. Just released e-mail shows that the Russian lawyer's lawyer passed along a message from Russian lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin that suggests he met with Sessions in 2016. This will prove he lied under oath."

I would love to see him indicted.  He lied and smirked through his entire hearing.

I think that was in a set of predictions from a meditation that I did in May for October 2019. I would feel relieved that there is some hope of some justice being done if it actually happens. All of the posturing and dissembling by the R’s is becoming unbearable. They don’t even believe what they are saying anymore. They are just trying to play for time. 

I have had migraines this week and it just feels like I can sense the almost overwhelming manic energy of an epic battle happening there. The only thing that is helping is getting out into nature. I don’t think the universe can keep this up forever! Something will tip things one way or another soon. 



   
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Something we can do to help immediately is to support the current whistleblower and future whistleblowers by donating to the GoFundMe account set up to help offset their legal fees. I’ll find the link. It was endorsed by one of the whistleblower’s attorneys, so it is legitimate. 



   
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