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(@rosieheart)
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So now Rick Perry has announced he's leaving as EPA Director at the end of the month.  It also has come out that Perry met with Ukraine President Zelensky at least three times, and attended his inauguration.  His office says his resignation is "unrelated" to the Ukraine scandal.  Weird timing.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/03/rick-perry-expected-to-resign-000189

 

Former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul said on MSNBC tonight that it is "highly unusual" for the head of EPA to meet with a foreign leader so many times, or attend his inauguration.

Meanwhile, Volker is STILL testifying before the Congressional Committees.  It's going on 10 hours now.

 



   
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@rosieheart

Prick Perry should just leave.    Period.    As in the planet.   So long now, don't let the screen door hit ya, partnah . Vaminos.  Vaya con Dios, my dipshit.  Adios.  



   
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@Rosieheart

It is also interesting (since you mentioned the previous US ambassador to Russia) that the current US Ambassador, Jon Huntsman, offered his official resignation to Trump in August and just recently  left Russia and returned home to Utah, it prompted an interesting response from his daughter.

His daughter, Abby Huntsman, is a cohost on The View, and she brought it up conversationally to View guest Rachel Maddow today, Oct.3, 2019.

Rachel Maddox asked if it was public knowledge and why he was leaving but that answer was not up for public discussion yet--at least not on this platform in public though his daughter gave a big smile at the question.

She did unexpectedly blurt out, however--"My dad is not the whistleblower."

:-)



   
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@lovendures, I did not know that both Houses have to approve the choice to fill a VP vacancy.  Very interesting.  If Pence survives this, I don't think that the Dems will just roll over and easily accept his VP nomination.  But I kind of like the idea of a Dem/Rep split for the remainder of this term.  

Regarding Pence:  Interesting you mentioned lust.  I've always seen the lust behind his pious facade.  Each time I saw P. standing alongside Turnip, I also saw him salivating, rubbing his hands together.  And let's remember that P. believes God has anointed him to be President.  



   
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Posted by: @mas1581

Also, it might be a good negotiating move if Pelosi offers to step aside and let Grassley(4th jn line, after Nancy) take the White House in exchange for the impeachment conviction for both Trump and Pence. 

You might want to read this letter Grassley wrote to Barr last week (Sept. 29), which asks him to speed up the DOJ investigation into both Hilary Clinton and Biden, and see if you still feel the same way about that idea .

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2019-09-27%20CEG%20RHJ%20to%20DOJ%20%28Ukraine%20DNC%29.pdf

Also, the House Foreign Affairs Committee tonight (Oct. 3) issued an advisory to Congress re: today's testimony from Volker.  In addition to saying they are now investigating Pence too, they also included the actual text messages that Volker provided today. You can read the letter and the addendum of texts here:

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_cache/files/5/0/50759349-fe81-4444-a990-65c92528de82/50EE8A2F1CFC493A98876200762152FC.chairmen-letter-on-state-departmnent-texts-10-03-19.pdf

I strongly encourage every American to read both.  This is the history of our country happening right before our eyes.

None of this, of course, means that Trump will be impeached (or Hilary Clinton arrested). 

But, it sure seems like this will be a fight to the finish between the Republicans and the Democrats.



   
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@lovendures, I did not know that both Houses have to approve the choice to fill a VP vacancy.  Very interesting.  If Pence survives this, I don't think that the Dems will just roll over and easily accept his VP nomination.  But I kind of like the idea of a Dem/Rep split for the remainder of this term.  

Regarding Pence:  Interesting you mentioned lust.  I've always seen the lust behind his pious facade.  Each time I saw P. standing alongside Turnip, I also saw him salivating, rubbing his hands together.  And let's remember that P. believes God has anointed him to be President.  

Not to be redundant but as I said above, the House Foreign Affairs Committee announced tonight that it is opening an investigation into Pence after Volker's testimony today.

 

I have been wondering since Pelosi announced the investigation whether Dan Coats and/or Sue Gordon are going to be caught up in this in some way.  The timing of both of them abruptly resigning right after the phone call and whistleblower complaint in Coats' department seems like an unbelievable coincidence.   



   
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@Loveendures
”Additionally, this thought recently occurred to me.   Could we be looking at a Dem/ Republican split?  One for the office of President and another for the office of  VP ?  Something to try to bind the nation together.  A  compromise of sorts?  I think there will be a lot of negotiations taking place regardless. ”

This quote from your post regarding cards that you had thrown corresponds to something that I have gotten a couple of times in meditations that has puzzled me. I sensed that something would happen that would make it necessary for the good of the nation to have one person from each party serve in a caretaker government until the next election. I wasn’t sure how that would even work technically. 



   
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just want to wish all those who live in the u.s. support with all this turbulence. must be really hard to relax with all the drama. 

look after yourselves.

 



   
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@baba

In reading everyone's ideas (they are all interesting) the one that jumped out at me that I was actually suggesting to my husband in a "what if" situation a while ago was the dem/rep split. I just never saw Pence  as POTUS, and have a republican as VP with Nancy as POTUS until the 2020 election just may be what the country needs in order to heal some of the divide.



   
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I have tried over and over to ask the cards about the next POTUS of the US.  I have not received a clear answer, though I did get more positive women cards than men. I'm not really a good card reader, but use them to help my own intuition. I have always strongly felt more traction for Warren, and for some reason never saw Biden make it to the finish line, even though logic would say Biden since he seemed to be the most electable.  My 3 favorite readers on other sites have had issue with this too. I decided to ask, who would be POTUS in 2021 (after the next election).

I just now threw 3 cards on whether Warren would be POTUS and got: 6 of Pentacles, Knight of cups, Page of Pentacles. 

For Biden I got: Ace of Pentacles, Strength, 10 of Swords, 

For Bernie I got: Ace of Swords, Chariot, 8 of Wands,

For Mayor Pete: 8 of Pentacles, 5 of cups, King of cups.

For Kamala Harris: 5 of Wands, Tower, Queen of wands. 

Still not clear to me but It appears that Bernie received the best outcome followed by Warren.  Mayor Pete's were good, Kamala's ok and Biden's the absolute worst.

I wonder if it could be Bernie with Warren as the POTUS/VP or Vice Versa if they teamed up early on? Would love anyone's interpretation of these :)



   
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I also forgot to tell you that I threw 3 cards and asked "will a democrat be POTUS in 2021?" and received a clear yes: 7 of Wands, Lovers and 3 of cups (using Rider Waite). :)



   
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I have been wondering since Pelosi announced the investigation whether Dan Coats and/or Sue Gordon are going to be caught up in this in some way.

@rosieheart, I'd really thought that either Coats or Gordon was the whistleblower.  But it doesn't sound like it.  I'm sure they both know a lot, and sense that they will testify when asked.  I guess we'll find out soon enough.  Things are moving fast.

@triciact, I'm not sensing that Biden will be the nominee.  Beyond that, I can't get a good reading for POTUS.



   
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Breaking news on CNN:

Claim by U.S Special Envoy Kurt Volker in his closed door Congressional  testimony Thursday about Trump and Ukraine--

Volker: Trump said Ukraine 'tried to take me down' and was influenced by negative information from Giuliani. https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/04/politics/volker-ukraine-statement-trump/index.html

 



   
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I like Woodward's idea, stated in an earlier post: 'Woodward thinks that the inquiry needs to expand far beyond that.' But I'm not confident the corporate Dems under Pelosi et al can really pull this off, and I've also read predictions here that Trump would not be impeached. 

Now that it's happening, are there any predictions about how it might work out? He really does seem to be digging himself into a deep hole, but then there's the Dems and this idea of inciting a civil war....



   
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Rachel Madow on Pence Defense

If Mike Pence's defense is that he definitely didn't know that Biden had ever come up in the discussions with the Ukraine, I mean, except for his adviser listening on the call,
except for him having access to the transcript of the call,
except for him being given the notes of that call,
except for him being given the notes of that call again,
except for his advisers admitting that, yes, he probably read the notes from the call including that part that's explicitly about Joe Biden --
I mean, apart from his advisers admitting, yes, he might have read that -- but maybe he didn't get it?

That is not the world's strongest defense. But that is what the vice president is leading with.

Watch: https://on.msnbc.com/2AHiluA



   
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I have been reading these posts with much interest. I am so grateful for this site! Here’s my two cents, arrived via my reaction to reading recent posts, along with messages and feelings I have been getting while in a light trance. 

1) I have long felt the the current occupier of the White House is “going down”. I see him actually falling down in his private quarters due to a stroke or something of that sort. Like many others on this site, I see him just kind of fading away after that

2)“Pence is gone”: I get a very strong feeling that he is “gone”. I see him walking out of the oval office, leaving a muddy stain behind him. I’m not sure what will happen to him. I see him behind bars, but the picture is dim. It might just be a prison of his own making.

3 ) Will Nancy succeed the orange buffoon? I don’t know. I’ve been trying to get an answer to that question for some time. What I hear and feel is “We don’t know yet” and maybe for a very short time. I see her putting a crown on her head, but it’s heavy and she doesn’t want it. She immediately gives it to someone else.

4) Will there be a Democratic president in 2021? “There is no other way.”

5) I have long had a vision about Jared coming to a very bad end, although I don’t think it happens for a long time.

6) Will democracy survive? I get an immediate and emphatic “Yes”.



   
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@lilinoe Enjoyed your predictions! Thanks.

I have also seen T taking a bad fall, coinciding with his political fall. Have seen it repeatedly.

 



   
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@lilinoe, thanks for posting your impressions.  I agree with a lot of what you've shared.  I'm not seeing a physical fall, as much as I'm seeing an unraveling, both mental and physical.  But physically I'm not sure what that looks like.  I just keep seeing that deflated T. balloon at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade.  It manages to barely stay up, mostly being buoyed  by the outside wind.  If the wind stops blowing, the deflated balloon hits the ground.  There are lots of people around, but no one is really paying attention to it.  I can't see who is holding the string.

I'm also really struck by what you said about Pelosi.  I totally agree.  My husband and I were discussing her yesterday, and I said something like "Nancy doesn't want that job -- she doesn't want to be President.  She likes what she's doing.  She'll only do it if she absolutely has to."  I love your image of the heavy crown.



   
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@lawrence

It is interesting there have been press reports that Trump is afraid of falling down stairs.  I see it as a metaphor of a personal, political and financial fall.



   
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Actually, since the first year of Mr.T’s presidency, I’ve seen him falling down stone stairs- it’s raining & night time, Melania is standing behind him as he falls. It looks to me as if he’s had some sort of medical incident. December is what I got. I also feel his Presidency is over or very close to being over & he knows it. 



   
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