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Did you know Trump was at ground zero looking for survivors on 9/11?

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-911-first-responders-victims-tower-september-11-a9025556.html?amp

This is probably around the time I was posing for Playboy



   
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This has been a fascinating exchange of ideas and perceptions, especially as it relates to these deceased fascists and demagogues.  Does anyone have a sense of the spirit of George Wallace in any of this?  I know that in the late 70's, Wallace made amends and publicly apologized to civil rights leaders  and black people for his past actions as a segregationist.  He said that he was wrong and needed love and forgiveness, instead of power and glory.  Perhaps getting shot and becoming paralyzed helped Wallace find his heart.  When I tune into his energy, I feel Wallace still making amends in some way.  It's lighter ... Wallace is still learning and giving back.  Not sure if it's in this world, or coming from the other side.  

 



   
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How does one tune into someone’s energy? Do you simply meditate on someone specific and you get an image?



   
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@pacosurfer

This work takes practice and experience and a healthy attitude that we can't be certain in the end what we are getting. It's about getting out of your head and into a present moment mindful state, a kind of meditation state. It's about learning to tap into a knowing state, but being very careful about operating from prejudice and blind cult-like belief.  

Come to classes when I have them or to Read the Future nights to get going.  Get a deck of Tarot cards and practice, practice, practice.  Practice on friends and people you don't know and ask them for validation. Learning from your mistakes teaches you a lot. Ultimately it's about mindfulness, i.e., knowing what you are really getting deep down.  It's also about being careful to do no harm.



   
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thank you!



   
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If you do meditate on someone and get an image, that can be useful.  I usually check to see if the image is unexpected or unusual.  Then it means that it's likely to be accurate because I didn't preconceive it. But keep a healthy degree of not knowing until you have enough experience that you can sense the difference between preconception and a present moment energy experience.



   
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Yes I can see how going in pre-judging someone can affect it. I may have to practice on someone that I can no emotional connection to



   
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@pacosurfer, I really like what Jeanne stated, and can relate to a lot of it.  I think it might be unique for each individual, with some commonalities.  I'm a strong empath but a newbie to intuitive readings.   I'm still trying to trust myself with all of this, so I try to approach it respectfully.  It's especially difficult when I am attached to an outcome, for example getting rid of T*.   I sometimes want it so badly that I can't relax enough to trust what I'm getting, if anything.  The most I can sense regarding the madness of King Dumbo and his Court is that it will end for the better for us.  That I feel very strongly, in my bones.   I can't predict a particular time, because I'm too attached to it happening NOW.  I don't want my needs, wants, fears -- i.e. the ego -- to get in the way.   

Right now I trust my impressions more when I am relaxed and doing something else.   In my case it's not always visual -- I just start picking up feelings, and then sensing the energy behind it.  Then thoughts pop into my head.  My intuitions usually come through feeling and auditory channels.  In the situation with Wallace, he just popped into my head.  So I focused on his being, more out of curiosity than anything else.  Where is he?  What is he doing?  Then I payed attention to my body sensations, and moved from there.  

Someone like T* I won't get close to.  He's too dark for me.   I might sense some stuff when I look at or read about T****, but I don't explore him.  I'm getting chills now -- not the pleasant kind -- so that pretty much confirms it!

Pacosurfer -- I've been meaning to tell you that I love your posts.  I value your insights, and really love your sense of humor!   



   
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"The darker ones are horrific. I have felt his heart/life force energy literally being sucked out of him." 

@michele-b-here-in-the-forum, when I read your post, I immediately saw that image of the dark spirits from that movie "Ghost", when those creatures emerge from the darkness to drag Willie's ghost down to hell.  Also, when I look at T (which isn't often), his eyes look vacant ... like two bottomless pits.   And his body seems encumbered in some way, especially when he walks.  His dark suit is hiding a lot.  I'm not sure what I mean by that -- my rational mind thinks that's nonsensical.  Perhaps I'm sensing the attachments others are feeling/seeing? 

@jeanne-mayell, when you stated that Hitler seemed surprised by his followers -- "almost as if his followers led the way rather than the other way around" -- it made me think of that saying, whatever you focus on, grows.  I looked up the source of that quote, and found the complete one: 

“What you focus on grows, what you think about expands, and what you dwell upon determines your destiny.”  Robin S. Sharma  

A wonderful reminder to myself and all of us that we can create the world we desire.  Light is stronger than the darkness.



   
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@deetoo

I will be 41 next month, and I'm only now starting to comprehend what it means to be an empath. As soon as I reluctantly came out of the womb, I want to eat. All. The. Time.

My mom had to stop breastfeeding me because that's all I wanted to do. I use food to block incoming energy. And while it does work, my weight and blood test results ain't liking that kind of self-medication.

I am slowly picking up clues to what it means for me...

For example, I have a feeling only 95% of the feelings and energy and moods I feel are mine. This past May, I had to euthanize my puppy dog. And last October, I lost a friend to suicide. I had one or two days where I cried my eyes out, but the feelings and energy moved quickly through me. I cycled through the grieving process rather quickly. That's not to say I don't miss them. I do! But in terms of active energy, they flowed fast. So I find that if I allow myself to feel my emotions, they dissipate fast. So I know the depression and heaviness and anxiety I feel...most of that isn't mine. I don't think.

I also notice that I am tired during the day, but I am wide awake at night. I told my counselor that it's because the energy of the night is mostly calm and cool...I can breathe at night. But during the day, the energy of the world, even in a rural area, is too much. Even the sun is too much. I cover my window with black poster board to keep it dark in my apartment. Then I do yoga or watch baseball or even read (with a little light, of course.)

I would love to go out, and see a ballgame or movie...but it's the energy I can't handle. I told my counselor that if everyone would just disappear, I could enjoy a damn ball game once in awhile.

So I don't think I can "discern the spirits," yet, so to speak. I do know when I watch the news, I want to binge-eat. I can finish my meal, and feel content, but as soon as I turn on the news or go online, I am bingeing on the sugar and carbs. But yet, I feel like if I don't watch the news, I will be caught off-guard. Constant state of hypervigilance.

I would like to get better as using my gift of empathy. As of right now, I feel it's more of a curse. I want to be "normal," but I figure I ain't here to be normal.

I have a diagnosis of severe social anxiety, and while that is a part of it...if I knew people would just be kind and gentle, I wouldn't need that diagnosis.

When I see 45, my instinct is to hide. And scream at everyone I see and say, "Don't you see him for what he is?"

It's like, "Sure, he is a psychopath, and our country may be destroyed, but I am earning 15% on my retirement right now, so he's cool."



   
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@michele-b-here-in-the-forum

Michele! I wish I could hug you for making me smile so big. ? 

I'm going to check out the December thread you linked, but I have to say off the cuff that just what you've shared here is exciting to me. I want to say first that I don't believe in the classical concept of a hierarchy of utterly evil, ancient, and inhuman entities that fell from a previously perfected state, and now wander the earth doing unimaginable evil, but which, according to biblical prophecy, will one day—at the culmination of a great war with God Almighty—will find themselves cast into a lake of fire for all time. Not in a literal sense, anyway. (That said, I'm certain there are more things in "heaven and earth" than are dreamt of in our religious philosophies, and far be it from me to decide what's literal or isn't.) 

But I do believe this: As a collective, we cast a mighty mighty shadow, and in that vast unconscious dark, all kinds of strange and autonomous-seeming entities appear to lurk. If allowed, these forms can and do serve up all kinds of terrifying chaos. Though my personal philosophy (such as it is) is that these entities are created from our own dark chi: the denied, disowned, and suppressed parts of very human selves. I'm more optimistic than the bible; I believe that one day we'll get it (us) together.

Anyway, you mentioned that Jeanne heard "Beelzebub," which is fascinating. In the classical hierarchy of demons, Beelzebub is the lord of gluttony. No doubt in my mind that DT is plagued by a hoard expressing some fierce Beelzebub vibes. Mammon is the demon of greed. Satan [such a fascinating history behind this term, btw...] became the lord of wrath. And dark octopus-like tentacles have long been seen in MANY mediums' visions of dark entities. Something like this shape is even seen in various indigenous communities today, and historically in ancient cultures all over the world. (Some describe it as having tree-like roots for arms or snake-like hair, ala Medusa, etc.).

Going to read that thread now, but had to share some of this because I'm am over-excitable nerd, I guess? Ha.

@Yogagirl, I must be plagued by the same spelling goblin. Also, I think a lot of people are seeing the same thing with Barr re: health deterioration. So interesting (not that I wish anyone ill). 

And @Jeanne-Mayell, I'm 100% with you on your side-by-side between The Don and Adolf. They aren't even in the same domain. Though, sadly, T plays the fiddle for these types all too well.

I do think it's more than kompromat (which the Russians undoubtedly have on him in spades) that turned him. I believe they were able to make him an asset because they're inordinately skilled at using a critical knowledge of a person's particular psychology, not just to persuade him toward their ends, but to make him obsessed. With that accomplished, they easily altered T's thinking and his behaviors. (They accomplished the very same on our population in the run-up to our elections.) All they had to know to do this were his drives and motivations, and because his are overwhelmingly narcissistic and greed-based, it was cake. 



   
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@deetoo

Yes, I have absolutely been flashing back to George Wallace with what's going on now! I wasn't aware of his late-in-life apology tour; I'll have to read up on that. But as a Southerner and the liberal dark sheep of my family, my heart breaks doubly to see this particular bit of history repeat.

The powerful few have always used propaganda to stoke fear and social animus among the poor and middle classes. Better to keep us waging war on ourselves than have us rising up in organized rebellion to demand equitable distribution of resources or any other kind of justice.  



   
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In regards to the Hitler vs Twitler comparisons, I see a distinct similarity between the 2 eras, however slightly inverted roles. Hitler ran his own show and was the genius behind the whole mess. In todays mess, Putin plays the role of Hitler(master of manipulation), Trump is Mussolini(the bumbling moron following the mastermind while trying to project his own power) and Stephen Miller is Goebbels(the master wordsmith and Hitlers right hand man in manipulation), and MBS is Hirohito(fierce but non committal and will follow whomever wins the fight to keep power). 



   
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Der Trumpenfuror has always come across to me more as Mussolini than Hitler, so it is a small possibility that it's just a different fascist that has come back to take another at bat, so to speak. And it makes some connection by the fact that Mussolini's life did not end well. Hitler killed his kids, Eva and himself. Mussolini tried to get away, but was discovered by some partisans (resistance fighters), was shot and then his body was publicly displayed in Milan. This was 2 days before the Hitlers' deaths. He was trying to flee with his commare (mistress), and she also was killed and displayed. I don't know about his kids, but his granddaughter is a semi-fascist spouting nonsense in Europe.  Like Twitler, Mussolini was clever, not intelligent.

Another interesting historical footnote: US doctors did the autopsy on Mussolini. They sent part of his brain back to the US TO LOOK FOR EVIDENCE OF SYPHILIS !!! Apparently there was a theory that Mussolini's behaviors were in part shaped by syphilitic dementia. Who does that sound like??? (No, syphilis was not found post-mortem, but in 1945 analysis was more limited, so who knows.)

And when I look at pics of Cheetolini's eyes, I see an echo of Mussolini, not Hitler. The echo I see gives me an image of a cornered animal, on its hind legs, lashing out at anything and anyone that tries to reign it in.  So it's the same for me when I look at images of either. When I look at a pic of Hitler's eyes, all I see is endless black, like a black hole, never ending, always expanding and contracting and destroying everything within its reach.



   
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So I wonder...

Was Hitler/Mussolini a reincarnation of an original Fascist?

Could it be we are dealing with the same couple of evil spirits that keep reincarnating over and over again?



   
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@vestralux

Hug received and appreciated! So very nice to have you back with us watching our backs and helping so much to make things even more interesting! I almost always agree with you and when I don't it teaches me even more ?



   
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@pacosurfer

well if we are they haven't learned much.



   
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@mas1581

If Miller is Goebbels (for real tho!), does that make Bannon Leni Riefenstahl? Frightening.

I love everything y'all are sharing.

...Even if I don't personally resonate all that much with the one-to-one reincarnation theory in these kinds of cases. Whether its personal or collective history, as long as stuff goes unacknowledged and unhealed, it will be repeated (i.e., karma).

In the case of national histories, I believe we see the same kinds of leaders recur again and again, not because an individual soul keeps showing up again and again, demanding to wear the same suit, so to speak, but because the collective soul must do the very same work the individual soul has to do in order to evolve. We have to "wake up, grow up, clean up, and show up." 

Our repetition compulsions, as Freud liked to call them, maybe just point out the work we still gotta do. So, I neither believe nor disbelieve that DT is the reincarnation of Mussolini, but it doesn't really matter to me. I just know that he's repeating a well-worn path—for his own reasons, but also because we needed someone to do it and why not him?

We needed to see very very clearly (if very very painfully) where and to what degree we're still injured and undeveloped as a culture, so that we can do something consciously to heal us.  



   
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I have been thinking about how he stands it’s just weird. He looks like he is too heavy and his clothes look to big like they are hiding his fat. The other day I was at PT and there was a women who had a vest on. The women apparently suffered from MS from what I could hear. They put weights on the vest and they make her walk until they get the right weight and she looks balanced. Can it be something like that for Dumbo? 



   
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I wonder why trump hasn't had a health report this year? Isn't he suppose to have one every year? Another psychic is predicting a fake heart attack. What does that mean?



   
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