Lynn, youre completely correct. I understand everyones rush to get him out of there, and I do agree that quicker is definitely better. The problem is that an impeachment is not a winnable trial right now. To impeach with today's information is suicide. The senate GOP has their heads superglued to Trumps ass so tight they can see smooch biggest hemorrhoid(Mcconnell). For impeachment to pay off, you have to have enough public support that you cant lose the 2020 election, or have enough GOP support to get him removed. If you dont have at least one of those things, Trump gets off, fuels his base and garners a few swing voters, gets a great turnout, and wins(with more Russian help of course), while the Dems lose a few swing voters, and a few of their own go independant because of disillusion that the party couldnt get rid of Trump.
There is too much damning info close to release to make any move right now. Get as much of that info public as you can and try to get an overwhelming consensus of public support. Then let Dorito Supreme keep playing his tariff game and destroy everyones 401k while draining their wallet as well. His base will be forced to choose which they hate more-brown people or losing what little money they have left. Once you evict the vermin from the trailer park because they cant afford the rent, they will be scurrying to just survive and wont be able to go vote because they cant afford to(isnt it ironoc....dont ya think?)
That is when you impeach his ass and walk him out of the white house in cuffs.
Jeanne, seeing that Democracy will persevere and triumph, what do you see in the meantime? Will we see something big happen soon?
If they can get the financials soon then it will be worth the wait.
But—
1. FOX drowns out each publicized offense when they come in bits and pieces.
In a battle. An opponent can knock down each attack when they come bit by bit. That is how he has survived so far in spite of repeated crimes— molesting women, using campaign funds to hush up sexcapades, using a foundation for personal business, scheistering students with a spurious university, using his presidency to further his businesses, and repeated obstruction of justice.
An impeachment process will lay out the seriousness of his impeachable offenses all at once.
I think that many Americans don’t have a problem with many of the crimes he has committed because they take their cue from the GOP pundits as to how serious those crimes are. And the pundits knock them down one by one. Inch by inch the GOP erodes democracy until one day people wake up and it is gone.
Since people don’t read more than sound bites, they haven’t read how incessantly he obstructed justice. But it’s laid out in breathtaking blow by blow chronology in the mueller report.
Also Mueller’s statement (and Amash’s Town Meeting explanation) about why obstruction of justice is such serious crime, will be repeated over and over again during the impeachment. The hearing will show— Wake up, America, this man is stomping on your democracy!
2. I also feel there are moments of opportunity to get him that come and go.
This is such a moment because people were waiting for Mueller to speak. His speech was an apex of public attention. If they wait too long the tsunami of energy against him will dissipate and people will yawn when they try to resurrect a case against him.
I pray I’m wrong that the moment is now, since I see they are waiting and I agree that the financials could be critical. But I feel the time is now or very soon.
3. I don’t know if the Deutche Bank records will be enough although my cards say they will show interrelationships and possible money laundering. However Deutche Bank would do its best to cover the money laundering.
4. Finally when one of you mentioned the advantage of impeachment stretching into a second term I remembered my reading of his presidency into November 2020 where I thought he might have won the presidency but because of a possible blue wave in the Senate, he was loathe to continue. I can’t say for sure if there will be a blue wave, but I felt Trump scared about it in Nov 2020.
5. I know this post is too long but I also want to point out that there are certain conditions that analytical predictors have found can win a presidency and if they continue to be correct then so far Trump is winning. I wouldn’t care so much about their predictions except that I haven’t had a clear vision of a blue win for 2020 but I don’t feel it’s determined yet. At this point, if the analysts are correct, we need a major economic crash, a serious scandal, or a third candidate to split the vote to get voters to turn against an incumbent. If the details that emerge from impeachment can show the public the truth about this man, that would provide the scandal.
Enkasongwriter, good question but please open it in a new topic. Thanks!
I agree with you on most of that, Jeanne, but there isnt anything that the GOP hasnt already dismissed. Something new needs to come out and people need to be directly affected. Hes been shown to be a serial sexual assaulter, yet still got a huge portion of the female vote. Hes shown to be a draft dodger, yet has the veteran vote. Hes claimed to be one of the richest men in the world, yet still has support of the lower class. I can continue but you get the point. Farmers are starting to turn on him because the trade war is actually affecting them. Automaker are next with the Mexico tariffs. Americans, en masse, dont read Mueller reports and barely get past the headline in a news article. In the age of instant gratification, noone takes time to fully ingest all the facts-they just want one liners. Even in an impeachment hearing, no one will watch it. No one will read a transcript. No one will take in the facts. They will all just listen to whatever television media source they already watch and nothing said there will chance their opinion.
My mom always would tell me "revenge is easy. Just give them enough rope and let them hang themselves." This is the logic we need to use with Trump. He will isolate every one of his supporters in time. Let that happen and there is no chance he survives, even with his mob of cronies and Russia.
I agree MAS1581 and I can't say that I'm not one of those that doesn't read everything. I think we are all so inundated with information whether it is true or not that we grow tired of all the reteric. I try to be selective inwhat I read and I don't watch TV news or news shows at all anymore. It's no longer about facts it's about who can jdig the most dirt and who can yell the loudest.
I believe the House committee is waiting for more information and I believe it will be financial. One theory (yes I know it's only a theory) is that SCOTUS judge Kennedy was paid or threatened to retire do to something that his son who works for Deuscha (?) bank did. Possibly money laudering. If that would prove the case that is striaght out bribery and extorsion. One can only hope. However I do believe it is fiancials that will bring about the downfall of the moron. Can you just imagine if he does run what the campaign will be like in 2020! His biker friends have already threatened Nancy Pelosi if she brings impeachment charges. I believe if Nancy has what she needs, and she will get it, threats aren't going to stop her.
What I think is hurting the Dems more is the refusal to respond to supeonas. You can vote to hold someone in contempt but what action can be taken. Barr laughed at Pelosi and made fun of being held in contempt. I don't know what action can be taken. Does anyone know what procedures are in place to deal with this? I know there is a sargent of arms in the House and a cell in the basememnt of the capitol but is there any other means of punishment? Fines sound good but they can be laughed at too. What about Federal Marshalls, do they have any jurisdiction? If it were me personally I would just have to haul off and bitch slap the arrogant SOB. But that's just me! ANy ideas?
Oh well the moron and his moronets head to UK today. In an interview the moron said he thouht Meghan was nasty for not voting for him. That should sit really well with the Royals. So now we get to sit back and watch the $h!t show and the circus clowns do London!
Alright, here's a spin on things...Nostradamus said *to some interpretation* that Trump would win another 4 years. Alright, that blows. BUT. What if we need 8 years of complete and total chaos for both parties and the United states as a whole, to finally lay down the weapons and start fresh? I mean, a majority of you guys see a new wave of hope coming after some sort of turmoil. Going back to the land, becoming more aware of one another...these things *historically* always happen after a tribulation of sorts. Maybe trump is the tribulation. Maybe he does have to be reelected so that we can finally transition to oneness. What I'm trying to say, is that while I'd love for trump to be impeached and a purge of political arena to take place, I wonder if this is our moment to sit tight, let the cards fall, continue to stay kind and loving, fine tune our self sufficiency skills and just prepare for the time when we are suppose to be the helpers. Afterall, I think that's why we're all here in the first place. To be helpers. Thoughts?
Perriwinkle,
You've made some very insightful points. Although it makes me sick to think about it, that could very well be. I have occasionally sensed some of the same things about Trump’s reelection, but I’ve talked myself out of it. But if what you say is true, then why do we even think it’s necessary for Pelosi to be so overly cautious regarding an impeachment inquiry? More importantly, the 2018 election was as much about holding T accountable, as it was about healthcare, etc. Also, the large majority of Dems, and more and more Independents, are in support of it.
No matter what the final outcome is in the 2020 Presidential election, I still believe that Pelosi et al. needs to do what she and House were voted in to do. I just heard Clyburn speak in measured tones, basically supporting Pelosi’s approach. He also has this pie-in-the sky idea that if we can just change the views of McTurtle’s KY constituents, then he should be more cooperative with the Democrats regarding an inquiry/investigation. Is he kidding? And except for Warren, I have yet to hear any Dem speak as clearly as Amash about the Mueller report and the need for an inquiry.
Those Dems in office who want to methodically go slow often cite how long it took for Nixon to leave office. They also seem to believe that, similar to Watergate, as more of the truth comes out, the Reps will ultimately come around. I think those Dems are deluded. This is not Watergate, and we are not living in normal times. This is much worse. And at some point, it will be too late. I clearly see a scenario of ConDon being reelected. I’m not sure if it’s because it’s meant to be, or it’s because of the Dems’ timid action regarding the impeachment inquiry, or just my own fears coming into play. But I see it clearly.
I agree, Yogagirl, I've thought from day one that it would be the money that would bring this criminal enterprise down.
I've been reviewing predictions for the June/July/August time frame and there are a lot that predict the end of Trump.
I think that whatever's in the Flynn recordings that the fascist walrus refuses to release directly incriminates Twitler selling out America for profit.
I think I’m feeling especially pessimistic today about the whole situation. I am frustrated by the slow walk that the dems are taking on holding lawless people to account. Then I get even more frustrated that I am letting the situation affect me! I understand that things need to be done a certain way to get the desired results, but it is frustrating to watch people breaking the law every day and there not to be consequences. I read an article by a professor who has accurately predicted 9 presidential races. He is of the opinion that if the dems don’t start impeachment hearings soon, they won’t have a chance of defeating the current pres. He uses several metrics to make his predictions and it made sense to me. The article:
In spite of my mood today, I won’t give up. I will take a short break and then start again to think of ways to help democracy and justice to get back on track.
Have a good weekend!