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Is the U.S. Descending into Tyranny? A Pattern from Plato's New Republic

(@anita)
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I don’t know how it can take years for oligarchs to be exposed and for trump to last until an election. 2020?

i hope I’m alive to see all this. I’m almost 67.

 

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(@jeanne-mayell)
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Anita, I believe you will be alive to see the full turnaround. The seeds are already sprouting - the Me too movement, the Fight for our lives movement, the brave unrelenting mainstream press, and the special elections are showing a turnaround. I don't see a linear progression, like some people. I see a battle with dark forces going darker each time they realize they are losing and then  progressives having to push harder, deep deeper into their pockets, and bring more people into activism, to counteract them. It will turn around, but the roots of darkness that got us here run deep.  It is a worthy cause.  You will live to see the turnaround. And you can see it already happening now.   I cannot imagine another four years of Donald Trump.  Have never seen it. The majority see 2025 as a complete turnaround. I've felt it would be a few years later, but I could be wrong.  I want to ask Zoron if he has a time frame.  

The future changes when we see it.  It gets better when we are awake to what the current energy is bringing because we change our behavior to bring about a better outcome.  The truth always wins. 



   
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(@anita)
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Hi Jeanne,

What a relief!

Thank you!

Anita



   
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Jeanne, I certainly see and feel Trump installing his dictatorship.  I do believe he will attempt to fire Mueller and I also believe we will take to the streets in huge numbers if that happens.  

But, we can see also that light forces are intervening.  The lawyer Trump wanted to replace Dowd is not going to represent Trump against Mueller, which is great news, and may have delayed Trump's move to fire Mueller.  

The thing that bothers me most is the sheer amount of illegal and even traitorous behavior that has already been exposed with no action taken to check it.  I'm specifically talking about Jared and his dealings with the Saudis here.  He's still in the White House.  Terrifying.

I know Mueller is not throwing down indictments because it would do no good with the current Congress in place.  And that is terrible.  I look at all those in power who are ignoring this and can't understand what they think they're going to get out of it.  I imagine they have studied at least as much history as I, and dictatorships don't bode well for those in power.  Often, the closest to the dictator wind up getting killed at some point or another.  It's truly baffling to me. 



   
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You hit the mark Luminata. Ignorance rules among the fringe right politicians these days.  When GW Bush entered the White House, novelist Kurt Vonnegut moaned that we had C students in the White House. Trump has taken ignorance of history, of everything, to a new low.  The Congress and the State Houses are filled with ignorant Republicans whose only claim to fame is that they can get funding from the GOP because corporations just want soldiers to do their bidding. Fox News is filled with ignoramuses. 

 



   
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It's been happening since the 70s

everyone should watch this BBC documentary by Adam Curtis called HyperNormalisation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fny99f8amM&t=1s



   
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Thanks, Stu.  I want to watch it.  I also want to say that I do not think we going to descend into tyranny.  I just think that Trump fits the pattern of the dictator that Plato was writing about. I think I unintentionally misled people. I wanted to warn, not predict that we are going into a dictatorship.  

I don't think Trump will make it to dictator because our country is awake and aware of what he is and how the Congress is supporting him.  It's our awareness that saves us.  We are a people of truth. We seek the truth, as evidenced by the nationwide success of the Parkland teens.  I believe we are rising up and proclaiming truth. 



   
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