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Changing Columbus Day to Indigenous People Day

(@elaineg)
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I Just talked to my former sister-in-law A full-blood Creek, and she said it's silly to think the I word is offensive . She and everybody has used it for many years. Also what do you want to call the people of India?

 



   
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@elaineg  Thank you for pointing it out.  The people of India are called Indians.  They are fine with that term.  It was offensive to Native Americans because they are not from India and calling them Indians was dismissive as to who they really are.  I appreciate what your sister in law said.  It helps us to hear first hand how people feel.  Perhaps it is okay in some circles, especially within the family, but it is widely considered offensive to Native Americans.  



   
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What a great moment of victory @jeanne-mayell !  Congratulations!

Our young people are stepping up and it is heartening to see.

I have no doubt that the initiative will pass this fall. I have great faith in the people of Boston.

Consider the terrible injustices we have done over time, to so many...if we had to face the full weight of our culpability it would be unbearable. But scales are falling from eyes, walls are crumbling. It’s good, and long overdue.

I hope as the scales come to balance, we Americans will be humble in accepting the consequences. Because change is coming, and we will all be changed.



   
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@jeanne-mayell - "I had heard a lot of bologna" - You made me laugh so hard!!! I so appreciate you spelling it correctly as it exists in its original language, but it is totally ok to say "That's a lotta baloney!", even in written form. Now I'm craving a nice bolognese sauce... ? 

Thanks to you for clarifying terminology around the indigenous people of our continent.

Something that comes to mind, is that in African-American culture, the "N-word" is used as a term of endearment, but ONLY if you are a bona fide member of that culture, those of us outside of it are absolutely not to use it because it is so offensive. So if those who are members of indigenous tribes want to use the word "Indian" to refer to themselves within their own culture, family or circle of indigenous friends, I can understand that, however in trying to move past the old paradigms it's important to not use these offensive terms when communicating with the outside world.  I've never heard an African-American refer to their people using the N-word when talking to anyone outside that culture. (And I'm not referring to literature or music or even stand up comedy as those are exceptions.)

 

 



   
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I myself am half Italian and grew up in a very "little Italy" town near White Plains NY. Columbus day was a big deal to them and my mom's birthday fell on Columbus day occasionally.

I am 100% happy to say arrivederci and il addio to Columbus day and Benvenuto to Indigenous People's day!



   
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@triciact (Mamaroneck???)

LOL

Addio, Colombo - eri figlio di zoccola!



   
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So. I'm working on a project that involves collaborating with one of the core Wampanoag tribes here in SE Mass. I asked the tribal chairwoman what terminology she and her community prefer when referring to US Native people in the aggregate. I'm pasting here her response, which is succinct and to the point of what has been discussed on this thread:

"I think that [our tribe] isn't as uptight about this as some communities might be.  I refer to myself and my community as American Indian, Native American, sometimes Indigenous, and I have used the term Indian. First Nations people are predominant Indigenous nations in Canada. 
 
So I guess to answer the question, many use the term Indigenous People?? but certainly each community is different."
 
@elaineg did the most sensible thing one could do in this situation: ask a Native person what he/she thinks about the terminology dominant culture uses. Over the years, I've been in sustained contact with tribal elders and educators in Upstate New York and New England. When conversing with them, I've used the terms "Native American," "Indigenous American," and "American Indian" interchangeably, and I've never received blowback for my choice of language. I've also never met a Native person who took blanket offense at the term Indian, but that's only in my experience. I don't use Indian myself because it's too ambiguous in too many contexts. When not referring to Native people in aggregate, I honor specific cultures by using specific names (Mohawk, Shinnecock, Wampanoag, etc.)
 
The lesson here is that Native people are not a monolith. They have their disagreements too. If a Native person tells you she's offended by the term "Indian," then be respectful and don't use the term. Otherwise, you just have to be very self aware in the presence of Native people. Their norms and practices might contradict your cosmopolitan liberal sensibilities, and you have to be accepting of that if you truly want to to put colonialism to rest.
 


   
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This is one of the poem I meditate too.  Hope it’s appropriate to share.

 

Let Me Walk in Beauty

Chief Yellow Lark

“O Great Spirit,
whose voice I hear in the winds
and whose breath gives life to all the world,
hear me.
I am small and weak.
I need your strength and wisdom.

Let me walk in beauty
and let my eyes ever behold the red and purple sunset.
Make my hands respect the things you have made
and my ears grow sharp to hear your voice.

Make me wise so that I may understand the things
you have taught my people.
Let me learn the lessons you have hidden
in every leaf and rock.
I seek strength not to be greater than my brother or sister
but to fight my greatest enemy, myself.
Make me always ready
to come to you with clean hands and straight eyes
So when life fades as the fading sunset
my spirit may come to you without shame.......................................“

Share the love and light 



   
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The Supreme Court Says Nearly Half of Oklahoma is an Indian Reservation. What's next?

Many people are struggling to understand the implications of this latest landmark decision. I'm posting it here because it points to the murky history of treaties that have been ignored and broken. Now that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that so much of Oklahoma is reservation for the purposes of the case they were considering, including a big part of Tulsa, the implications are staggering. The case involved jurisdiction in a criminal case, but it has far reaching implications for land rights.   



   
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@jeanne-mayell

I found it interesting that Gorsuch voted "pro", apparently has a history of approving indigenous rights. Who knew...

I think it especially has implications for the oil processing industry, i.e., pipelines.

My worry is that if Satan Miller gets wind of this, he'll push for some kind of executive order that will annul all treaties.

 



   
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