I think what you are saying Zoron is that the organic sentiment on the ground is more in line with labours policies, but that the right wing opposition would do their best to discredit him and it will work. My sense was that labour would not win but would definitely make its presence felt. I've been shocked for a while about how the media has treated Corbyn, it been nauseating reading their smug hit pieces all this time. And yet people still support him, in numbers large enough to discredit the media. Its all just spin now. I wish I could do this scanning with the same accuracy as you. I will post on the Tasmanian tiger tonight.
Natalie, media have been so horrible and bias to him.
Corbyn won't seek Russian help but that doesn't mean to say Russia won't interfere
I think Russia would like to see a Corbyn government because:
1. Corbyn is anti war and won't get involved in Syria
2. Corbyn would seek UN agreement on any military action, Russia is a full and permanent member which would give it more veto power over any UK action.
3. Corbyn is more likely to be sympathetic to another Scotland referendum, which would play into Russia's plan to divide and weaken the UK
4. Corbyn has said he would not use the nuclear option and so is less of a threat to Russia.
5. The relationship with the USA is unknown
6. Corbyn would still exit the EU, helping to split up the EU
meanwhile...
1. The conservatives are keen to isolate Russia through the use of ecconamic sanctions
2. Will use the nuclear option
3. already have a relationship with Russia
4. Will engage in military force in Syria and beyond
it seems Russia has everything to gain from interfering in this election (fake news) even if nobody has asked for it.
I imagine if Labour do win, the establishment/conservatives will blame Russia anyway.
back to WW1
People believing that WW1 would be over in a few months is a myth, In The Times between 1 August and 25 December 1914 there is one reference to ‘over by Christmas’ and one to ‘home by Christmas’. It wasn't until WW2 that people thought that the war would be won quickly, and it was used as a propaganda message to enlist new recruits & boost moral, but it wasn't used in WW1. But for many in the regular army it really was over by Christmas because they were all dead at this point. It was the waves of civilians that took over afterwards that war endured.
you can read more about the quick war myth here: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19475020.2010.517429?scroll=top&needAccess=true
interesting comment from Liam...
Putin sees Corbyn as the least hostile actor and he will work his military and KGB propaganda agencies to assure that Theresa May’s election is stolen from her by a major smear campaign that will come down the pipeline in the near future. It will shock the whole world, but it’ll be just deserts for an English aristocracy that believes, naively, that it controls everything in UK politics.
Hello Zoron, Natalie, and others. I couldn't find a better thread to post this on, so here goes.
I am not one with any abilities, but I do watch the news fairly closely. Today I was shocked to see this article regarding the Leave campaign, and an investigation into a data firm that was also working with Trump's campaign: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/21/leave-eu-under-investigation-over-eu-referendum-spending
I post this while wondering, if this may be one of the things that impacts the coming election in the UK. Or perhaps it's nothing.
Thanks all, for what you do.
-q
Hi Quiet. Zoron has previously mentioned his thoughts on the rigging of the BREXIT vote. I hope he weighs in, because I honestly don't know how true any of this is, but Zoron seems to think it is true.
Quiet, you can read more about this software here, it's scary
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/how-our-likes-helped-trump-win
Hi. New to this board, not new to the site. Not a psychic, just a concerned Brit.
The world frightens me. The idea of another Tory government, coupled with a Trump and potential Le Pen trinity, terrifies me. In her social policies, she's nothing more than a 'graceful' Trump -- a wannabe dictator with a hatred of the 'non-rich' and disabled. She's going to destroy this country. I'm also under 30, so my future is at risk already and even more so if she gets in. I'm praying to whatever God will listen that somehow, somehow Corbyn overcomes the disgraceful media bias and manages to steal the election from her cold hands. He's the only one that gives me any hope for the future.
If you want my non-psychic viewpoint, this GE has all the hallmarks of the US election. May thinks she's going to walk it -- no TV debates, not answering questions, relying on old Tory achievements she had no hand in. She's Clinton, but worse. Corbyn is holding rallies constantly; he's developed a passionate following; he's being seriously underestimated by the media and he's embracing an anti-establishment persona. He's Trump, but a 'good' version. I have a gut feeling that it's going to be much closer than people think.
JHA, I agree with everything you wrote. I feel that media is lying about how unpopular Corbyn is, just to discourage people from voting for him. I might be wrong and my intuition is often wrong but I think it will be closer than what they think. But maybe that's wishful thinking on my part. I'm praying for him and that in France Le Pen goes back to her cave I feel helpless otherwise, world is messed up right now.
I'm so glad to hear that, Dina. The animosity toward the Tories does seem to be increasing (the right-wing papers seem to have turned on her), but the British public still seems to turn a blind eye to the obvious hypocrisies of the Conservative party. Today, Corbyn announced plans for four additional bank holidays -- one for each country of the UK. A very smart move, appealing to the nationalists and overworked working classes. I hope he continues with that constructive approach, rather than the mudslinging that the Tories (like Trump) prefer.
Personally, I believe hope triumphs over all (and I'm sure Jeanne agrees). It's when we get complacent that we lose (see: "Trump will never win"; "Brexit will never happen"). Hope is a powerful force.