I thought I will start BREXIT topic as it affects so many of us. It affects me directly as Im EU citizen living in UK for last 10-11 years and my family is British. Ofcourse my wishful thinking and hope is that Brexit actually never happens. And we all together build strong, open minded, liberal Europe, that looks after our planet, human rights etc. But all I can do is pray and hope as my intuition is not very precise. However I would like to hear what others see happening. And if there is any hope, trade deal etc. Can we remain in single market at least?
There is so much division in the government(and society) at the moment that I just cant imagine how it can all be sorted out. It just seems getting worse by day. I really would appreciate your opinion. The idea of UK leaving single market really worries me more than anything, as I know many small businesses already being affected by the instability. Also I believe united Europe is best for keeping peace , WW2 is a very recent history. I would be very grateful for your opinion. Love to all.
Things will get much worse before they get better.
Asian, thank you very much for your reply. Do see some sort of trade deal between UK and Europe? Any chance of remaining in the single market? Thanks again.
What I see for present is lots of confusion and inner fighting for next few years. The economy of europe will remain unstable in future which will destabilize the continent more and more. British elite didn't wanted any part of it. Also, I felt they have some valuable resources in england which would put them in vulnerable position incase of another financial crisis. So, they mobilised the brexit campaign from behind.
Europe will want a soft brexit(mostly because they fear if any struggling states makes exit after this, it would put the future of union under question). Britain would want to get as much as possible from negotiation. It is hard to say what will come out of negotiation(how much power globalists will wield in future is big factor).Because, so much things will go on at that time. One thing is sure however things won't back to past. Britain will try to not involve itself into european issues.
In a decade or so britain will also localize. Scottish secsession, a economy which is depended on sectors like farming. EU too will become obsolate at that point. It is a very different scenario.
For this future to materialize people have to take up new ways. However before that happens more chaos, confusion, volatility will collapse the old societal structure. It is necessery for future to emerge.That's why I said things will get much worse. Hope this helps.
Asian, as always I value your opinion, thank you. Its just so much division and confusion right now and its getting worse every day. I just hope and pray they can sort this out in a way that causes the least harm as I cant see any benefits at the moment. Wondering what others see happening. Zoron too predicted hard times ahead.
Sadly divisons and confusions are initiated by dark powers. They are not spontaneous. So, it will increase indeed. It suites their agenda. By year 2020-22 everyone will look hopeless.
Very sad. I wish people put all the energy in uniting rather than dividing themselves. We are so much stronger together, but as you say the dark powers have their own agenda. The greed for wealth and power ...
With negotiations going nowhere Im wondering how this mess can be sorted. Would like to hear if anyone is picking up anything at all. Can there be a trade deal between uk and eu?
Hello Dina,
I am an EU citizen, (Irish) living in the UK, We have our own huge problems with the UK, there are about 4 million Irish citizens resident, under the present treaty agreement, that makes the UK and Ireland a common travel and residence zone, and unified the right to work in each country. There are also about another 6 million dual nationals, from descent, that are entitled to Irish Passports, but have british residency and citizenship. I mention this, as, you can imagine, I am scanning closely the situation. It is not good. The most important thing about BREXIT is this human aspect. It is going to cause a lot of suffering. Although the experience is going to be harsh, eventually Northern Ireland, which is controlled by the London government and considered a part of the UK, is going to end up reunified with the South. The UK government and forces wwill withdraw from the North, it will be unified. I mwention this, as the same situation applies to Scotland. I am very very clearly seeing it seperate from the rest of the UK, and becoming fully independent. This will happen within the next 10 years, but probably, within 5 years, or less. I see the present Scottish state government declaring a "Unilateral Declaration of independence", from mainland UK. This will be as the London government has acted with utter stupidity and arrogance, and tried to retain control of Scotland, and keep it in the UK. The issue, the huge purple Elephant in the living room, is the OIL. Scotland now has oil reserves bigger than Kuwait, Norway, or many other Gulf States. there have been recent huge new oil discoveries. Without access and control of that oil, plus other things, the UK will be in absolute economic crisis.
What I am seeing, is that the UK Government is making secret contingency plans to move after BREXIT against the present Internal Scpttish state government, and to pass legislation that strips the Edinburgh Government of most of its power, and returns this power back to london. this will be a precursor to abolishing the Scottish Government altogether within five years. The Scots are well aware of this, and have started making contingency plans. Avoiding some sort of violent separation will be very difficult. The Welsh have their own devolved state government, but it has limited powers, and Wales is heavily populated by English people moving there. It makes the nationalist movement there almost powerless to do anything significant. As the BREXIT social and economic crunch hits, there will be protests, but they will be contained. England, in 5 years time, will be a very different place. There will eventually be a tight border with Scotland, which will rejoin the EU, very rapidly, and will be protected by the other EU states from the london government.
The rest of the UK, internally, is not going to be a very happy place, BREXIT day plus five years. There will have been a disasterous BREXIT, with a hopeless agreement with the EU, a large number of EU residents leaving the UK, many foreign corporations shutting down their UK operations, or greatly reducing them, as they no longer have an open market with the rest of the EU. The economic consequences will be very severe. Also, a hardline, right wing government is very likely to push for a very nasty NEO-CON society, with even basic freedoms and rights, suppressed, with severe austerity, and repeal of basic laws that in any way get in the way of the big corporations. The UK Government will also draw oin some very nasty oligarchs and their cash, in a desperate attempt from going essentially bankrupt. A lot more of the same. The probability of this is about 70% at the moment. Eventually, there is a huge backlash from the general population, and a nasty polarisation between them and the right wing elements and forces in UK. Something like an "Arab Spring" will happen. it will be crushed. People will despair. There is a low chance, (at the moment, 20%) of the present UK government losing its parliamentary majority, being forced into an election, and losing. If that happens, the incoming labour coalition government will be marginal, very weak, and not able to do much. it will split under the internal issues between its members, and a period of unstable government, that is weak and ineffective, will happen. it wwill also be forced, by economic circumstances, to continue the policies of the previous Government, but not as harshly. Popular discontent and anger will grow, and there will be large protests, upheavals, and disturbances. failure, and a fragmenting society. meanwhile, the UK will be running an "Offshore" economy, acting as a sort of refuge for Dirty money, nasty oligarchs, etc, and ruthless labour exploitation. UK, the remnents, will struggle on. The EU will be very hostile, to what has happened, but will not be able to intervene. They will be forced to introduce strict laws to prevent UK citizens fleeing the UK to the EU. all of this plays out over a 20 year timescale, but the first five years are going to be very bad.