I believe we can see from what is happening on this forum a reflection of what is happening in our country.
Fear.
Our nation is fearful. If we leave out the Trump supporters who have their own fears including fear of him losing the election, we are still left with lots of fearful people. The remaining republicans who are anti-Trump have their own fears of a forever changed party that does not reflect their values or resemble what they support.
The Democrat's have their own fear issues.
Some are so fearful about what has happened in our country over the past 3.5 years, they are numb and have given up hope. They live in their own PTSD world. They desperately want the ship to be righted but are very fearful the upcoming election will be devastating once again. They have built up walls. They move through life depressed. It is difficult for them to look forward with hope.
Some are fearful that we will go to the opposite extreme and go down a different dark path leading to a different deterioration of our country. They are fearful chaos will continue with a nation still being polarized but now with a dem in office.
Some are fearful we are not doing enough and to make our country ( and globe) what it should be the big changes must happen now.
There are other fears too. We haven't even toughed upon the virus driven fears and normal life fears. IF there's one thing we likely can agree upon, it is our country is full of fear.
Fear has way too much power over everyone right now doesn't it? How can we be at our best if we are living in fear.
Lets bring hope and love into the picture.
Personally, I will be actively praying and meditating that the result of our presidential election is a blessing and that the outcome is for the highest and greatest good for our nation and for the world. This should not be about what I want to happen, but what is best for our nation, our world and all who live on it, regardless of my hopes and dreams right now. I need to make sure I am grounded and centered so that I can be receptive to how Spirit, to how God can move through me right now.
Love and hope, I think it starts there.
NO! you are NOT vicious. It's okay to have the courage of your convictions. That is a strength. You are a young(er) person and that is what youth is about, figuring out who you are and what you believe. (please don't be so hard on yourself. I have spent a lifetime being hard on myself. you end up right where you started , but weakened.)
Please don't feel like you are unwelcome here. You are most welcome and welcomed with open arms.
I like Bernie too, but I will vote Blue No Matter Who. And let's not forget, Bernie has been shaping the Democratic platform his whole life...he has affected change in our world even if he is not the President, he is important and his ideas are important.
and so are yours Natalie.
Keep the Faith. I am worried about you. Please, please write us again. I need to know you are safe. I would give you my private email but probably not a good idea on an open forum like this.
Please know, that time does heal a lot of things. I can't imagine growing up in the world you did, the world my daughter grew up in. I was a child of the 70's and my childhood was much more carefree than yours. You are a survivor Natalie, you are a beautiful soul. I KNOW this is true.
Look for beauty Natalie. Look for it and cling to it. I wish you grace. I wish you peace. and I wish you to write back. Please.
<3 Ghandigirl
@polarberry When people try to make their point by shouting “DO YOU GET IT YET?!” it makes me think they’re trying to sell me on a conspiracy theory of their own.
@lovendures You’re spot on - fear is driving a lot of people’s emotions and responses right now, on all sides. We need to focus more on bringing people together to make lasting, meaningful, good and necessary change for the better.
I can no longer disguise my anger at the older generations. Starting in 2014 I began to see them negatively, today I view them as having betrayed the future for their own selfish interests.
I am a boomer, and you are right. We didn't do enough. We didn't fight hard enough. We failed to elect politicians that would stabilize Social Security for future generations, and instead kicked the can down the road. While the environment was idea that everything would be good if you got an education, worked hard, and played by the rules. But then we sold each other and our children a horrible consumeristic culture that is manufacturing oligarchs while poisoning the environment. I don't blame you one bit. I supported Bernie because we boomers have had the keys to the car too long, it's run out of gas, and we can't see where we are going anyway. Maybe the Covid-19 virus, which seems to spare younger folks, is nature's way of cleaning house. Time to give the car keys to the younger folks.
Saokymo,
I tend to agree, although in this case I think he is just trying to sound the alarm. I don't think enough people realize how deep foreign influence in our elections goes (particularly 2016.) And he is basing his commentary off information in the Mueller report. It's not necessarily Sanders ideas I have a problem with; some are good. I dislike his Russian ties. Research Devine and Manafort.
Natalie, I am a Generation X'er. Please know that many of us are interested in and excited about the ideas younger people are bringing forth. Yours are voices that need to be heard.
So truly sorry for all that has happened to hurt you for so very, very long. You've shared so many facets of your life and your cultural, family and other challenges here over the years. We have so many new people here now and have lost a lot of the ones you knew you back at the earliest days of this site.
You've been dealing with anger and depression since you were first here 3 plus years ago and it hurts my heart to feel you still hurting and suffering.
Most of the people here aren't familiar with your Russian background and your transition from living in Canada to the U.S. etc.and hence not having a vote
I feel you grew up without the freedom to have a voice in your life and in your family and so not being heard, understood or listened to only makes those old familial, cultural repressions even more a source of pain and therefore depression and its sidekick partner of deep anger.
I understood what you were trying to express. Please don't feel you have to give up on any of us, our country, or all of our differences that often seem to divide us generationally, racially, culturally or politically. We are all here to learn, to change when needed and to grow with one another.
Everyone here has their own triggers, too. When our buttons get pushed or no one seems to understand or remember us and our pain it can hurt.
I am always thinking of you and the days when you were here with some really amazing and incredibly intelligent understandings. We need bright minds and caring hearts for and from all generations. We've all suffered through times and challenges we don't talk about or share but we all need one another too-- no matter what.
Love to you lovely lady. May there be rays of hope and joy in your life and may your deep emotional pain sadness ease.
hey @natalie, just wanted to tell you how much i have always enjoyed your posts.I think we all see your heart, and hope that you never, ever, censor yourself.
And it's not like there is nothing to be angry about.
The morning after the 2016 presidential "election"- that one where Hillary won the vote, but democracy died, i was in the yard, still awake. The morning paper landed on the flower garden. I could see that orange hideous face grimacing thru the grey plastic ill-fitting condom of a wrapper, ugliest thing i have ever ever seen.
Went inside. Dug thru the junk-drawer, looking for Napalm, TNT, Dynamite, anything. Found a Bic lighter.
I grabbed that newspaper and marched it into the middle of the (very busy) intersection near my house. Traffic stopped for this here crazy guy, . . i raised it up high, and burnt that shit down,
, and still nothing really changed.
But that's ok,
because fuck fascism
Well now @unk-p I must say that was one in incredibly intense and deeply movingly expressed reaction to learning that Trump had won the election..
Not that anyone here was trying to win the best and biggest disgust @ trump award but my goodness that was great and you are a true emotive and ritual creating winner!
I always burn pieces of paper in a ritualistic healing ceremony to release pain and suffering thoughts or illnesses but you torched a whole symbolic news source!
Awesome! ???
Well now @unk-p I must say that was one in incredibly intense and deeply movingly expressed reaction to learning that Trump had won the election..
Not that anyone here was trying to win the best and biggest disgust @ trump award but my goodness that was great and you are a true emotive and ritual creating winner!
I always burn pieces of paper in a ritualistic healing ceremony to release pain and suffering thoughts or illnesses but you torched a whole symbolic news source!
Awesome! ???